Genuine question: what sites allow downloads of removed files?
@charlie4282 So your essentially saying that everyone needs the authors permission to upload their files to an alternative backup source like Upvato, Dropbox and iCloud?
If Yes! Ban every user on Envato.
If No! Then why on earth would it be any different for Envato then all the other backup services?
There is absolutely no need for a stand-alone backup service, all they need is permission from the file-buyer to store the file they bought as a backup on their servers that is available at any given time for the buyer and the buyer alone. If the author then removes the item, so be it, but Envato still functions as a backup service for those who already bought the file. Itâs simple logic and you can twist it around as you much as want. But as long as the user is allowed (And no contract can refuse them this) to upload their files to ANY backup service, then Envato is also allowed, without the authors permission, but the buyers permission.
When did I say that you need permission to use any cloud service like Dropbox?
I said as it operates now it is not possible on envato (never mentioned any other site at any point).
As I did say if they started operating this kind of back up service and adjusted the relevant terms etc. then that would be different.
I am still very keen to hear of a marketplace that allows downloads of removed files from anyone - more than happy to be proved wrong.
Thanks
This should be solved if, in case an item is deleted, all the buyers receive an email to download the purchased item in 24 h because it will be removed.
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indeed, and if possible even more then 24 hours, many people go on vacation, or have some duties where they canât check their mailâŚ
Incorrect.
Itâs incorrect that your correct?
That depends on how you look at it. But you most certainly can sell artwork, and transfer ownership of that art to somebody else.
Yes, what i meant to say was that you cannot sell or transfer craftmanship over the work. Ergo, i can never make a painting and then sell you the rights to claim that you made it. That right and that âownershipâ, the right to claim that i made it, will forever remain with the author.
Envato could include a free online backup vault to every user, where they can store their bought items. In order to pay for that they could charge a cent more per item, and the problem would be solved, forever 
But before they see me returning, they might answer me themselves, instead of their âmoderatorâ who seems to love online discussions about details, disregarding the real problemâŚ
so why are there sale reversals? lol we all know that this hurts us all âŚ
yes , they could, but all of us, buyers or sellers, would probably have additional fees again, so , no thanks ⌠in addition , if we are thinking about it , why they would not save the content of our computers too? lol we are as buyers or sellers having to deal with our files, they have ,othign to do with this and thatâs better this way. the thing is that many people fail to understand the true necessity that they have to back up files âŚ
Unless specifically stated otherwise, yes, youâre right. But NDAâs and other contracts can be put in place, so that the âcreatorâ is not allowed to say that they made the work, and the buyer is. Ghostwriters would be a good example, although they are increasingly being given a joint writing credit or something similar.
With respect, I never meant to offend anyone. Iâve said - I share the frustration and lost more than most.
Nor did I disregard the problem - I only gave a perspective, that irrelevant of interest in or liking the legalities, they remain very relevant as by using the site we agree to them, and theyâre a big cause for what happens.
This not exclusive to envato. Itâs the same on Apple, Google, Mojo etc. so maybe thereâs a reason.
I am very keen for someone to share a marketplace which operates using 3rd party creators, and has a different policy? Then we will be able to identify alternative ways to manage it.
Other services, emails etc. are all great ideas and I suggest you send them to envato. Just so you know theyâve been mentioned many times before, so there may be a reason why its not happened.
Again I am not saying it is right - just that there may be a bigger picture to consider.
Iâm not a warez group 
Actually you canât for artwork, i canât speak on behalf of writing. But for paintings and graphical art your not allowed to sell the right to let someone else claim they made it. The person who claims that he made a painting he didnât make is basically being deceitful and commit fraud.
Iâm not entirely sure what the laws in US / Australia is compared to here either.
Thatâs canât be true, surely? You can create a contract that allows anything as long as itâs not illegal, and transferring complete ownership of something to someone else has never been illegal as far as Iâm aware. Sure, it may not be the most moral of practices, claiming that you made something when you didnât, but I donât think itâs fraud if the artist has knowingly and happily signed over the rights for a big wad of cash.
True! But there is a difference between transferring complete ownership and transferring craftsmanship.
If i sell you the rights to claim that you made a painting i in reality made. And you then proceed to the world saying that you made it, then your doing something illegal, you didnât make it, your taking credit for something you didnât do. Itâs illegal.
All laws varies from country to country. US in particular are specialist in making âcontractsâ that contradict the law, you can almost write a contract down there stating that iâm allowed to kill you, and it would pass as legal (Almost), while where i come from a contract is almost not necessary for anything except defining deadlines as most of whats allowed and not allowed is written down in law.
You can sell complete ownership over the file. You can sell / sign contracts stating that your not allowed to say or tell anyone that you made what you just sold. But you can never sell the rights or buy the rights to claim that you made something you didnt make.
Itâs like putting on your CV that you went to Harvard when you never really did. Do you think you can pay Harvard enough money to have them say that you did actually go to Harvard when you actually didnât and itâs completely legal? This is the same concept, itâs fraud.
This isnât about what the author wants or happily does or how much cash is involved. Itâs the deception afterwords where you leave the world thinking that you made something that you didnât really make. You just paid for it.