Finally - Adrev or not Adrev?


#1

Hi again. What do you guys finally think - does signing to Adrev bring us benefits (such as finding wrong use of our music) or it brings more headache to our customers, and later overwhelm all our benefits?


#2

I am using Adrev since I am on Soundcloud to push promotion of myself and my music. I have a notice to buyers regarding YouTube usage which I “borrowed” from StarDiva (thank you) and I have annoyed only 1 buyer so far and received a 1 star rating for this. This was cleared up after submitting a claim to Adrev. I have seen the amount of videos that have used my tracks and it is quite big so is it worth it? I think so since if we need to promote ourselves we need to protect the music and I can live with filling out claim forms of buyers YouTube videos.


#3

It has been worth nothing to me so far. I signed up 3-4 months ago and uploaded about 80% of my portfolio and continued uploading any new tracks. So far I’ve not been notified about one single usage of my music so it’s been a waste of my time.


#4

With ref to: http://audiojungle.net/forums/thread/adrevnet-really-rocks-/120262?page=13


Exactly the same happened to me on weekend. A client got an information after upload of his video to YouTube that the music is “AdRev for Rights Holder”. He was confused as he thought he has bought Royalty Free Music and wrote me a mail so I could clear situation with AdRev.
I will close my account on AdRev to avoid future hassle and not to loose any client due to those issues.


No AdRev


#5
Waderman said

With ref to: http://audiojungle.net/forums/thread/adrevnet-really-rocks-/120262?page=13


Exactly the same happened to me on weekend. A client got an information after upload of his video to YouTube that the music is “AdRev for Rights Holder”. He was confused as he thought he has bought Royalty Free Music and wrote me a mail so I could clear situation with AdRev.
I will close my account on AdRev to avoid future hassle and not to loose any client due to those issues.


No AdRev

i dont think you can close your account for at least a year.


#6
MusicBoxStudios said

It has been worth nothing to me so far. I signed up 3-4 months ago and uploaded about 80% of my portfolio and continued uploading any new tracks. So far I’ve not been notified about one single usage of my music so it’s been a waste of my time.

It took me about 3-4 months before I got any results in for my tracks, but I’ve got plenty now. Have you asked AdRev about that?


#7

I’ve been on it a few months and so far I’ve had one genuine client e-mail me about the Adrev ads. He was incredibly friendly and diplomat about it and as soon as I pasted his video link in the “do not use ads with this video” they cleared it up within a few hours and the client was happy.

Also, I found out one place where my music was being used. :slight_smile:


#8

To test Adrev, I uploaded a couple of tracks about a month ago. Waiting for any response from them. I have heard they take atleast two months. Will definitely share any info as it comes.


#9

And in comparison TuneSat is a sort of passive tracking of usage, right? They don’t do anything, except informing you about your music being found here and there?


#10
DoubleLion said

And in comparison TuneSat is a sort of passive tracking of usage, right? They don’t do anything, except informing you about your music being found here and there?

Indeed. But there are other differences: Adrev is for Youtube, Tunesat for TV broadcast (although they had first said they would monitor TV broadcast and web use, they have given up on the latter).
Adrev is free to use, Tunesat is quite expensive.


#11
PurpleFogSound said
DoubleLion said

And in comparison TuneSat is a sort of passive tracking of usage, right? They don’t do anything, except informing you about your music being found here and there?

Indeed. But there are other differences: Adrev is for Youtube, Tunesat for TV broadcast (although they had first said they would monitor TV broadcast and web use, they have given up on the latter).
Adrev is free to use, Tunesat is quite expensive.

Yes, Tunesat is very expensive and utterly pointless to track AJ music.

The whole point of Tunesat is for helping to make back claims on PRO based royalties via network uses, and of course we can’t register AJ music with a PRO, as it directly contravenes Envato’s terms.


#12
tacoMusic said
MusicBoxStudios said

It has been worth nothing to me so far. I signed up 3-4 months ago and uploaded about 80% of my portfolio and continued uploading any new tracks. So far I’ve not been notified about one single usage of my music so it’s been a waste of my time.

It took me about 3-4 months before I got any results in for my tracks, but I’ve got plenty now. Have you asked AdRev about that?

Thanks Cato! Because of your reply I did in fact email AdRev support and asked why I’d seen no activity. Here is Jesse’s response:

Paul,

We will post our findings monthly, but on a 4 month delay. You started resubmitting in July, so your first earnings report will be up November 15th. You’re getting around 900 views a day, and on average, 1,000 views equals $1. So you’re on target to do pretty well!

So, while it doesn’t look like it will be a lot of money, it is motivation to submit more music and continue doing so moving forward.


#13
MusicBoxStudios said

So, while it doesn’t look like it will be a lot of money, it is motivation to submit more music and continue doing so moving forward.

You just wait until one of your pieces ends up, unauthorised, on an underground protest video or the like, which is garnering 3 to 4 million views. You just wait!! :wink:


#14
AlumoAudio said

You just wait until one of your pieces ends up, unauthorised, on an underground protest video or the like, which is garnering 3 to 4 million views. You just wait!! :wink:

Did that happen to you? That’s crazy! I love criminals! Guess I better start writing that fight music my brotha!

But seriously, thank you Matt. If not for you I would have never taken the AdRev plunge. Your knowledge (not sales) of the process was a huge help. I figured heck. if AdRev gives Matt “that positive feeling” then surely I can sponge off him and get some love too!


#15
MusicBoxStudios said
AlumoAudio said

You just wait until one of your pieces ends up, unauthorised, on an underground protest video or the like, which is garnering 3 to 4 million views. You just wait!! :wink:

Did that happen to you? That’s crazy! I love criminals! Guess I better start writing that fight music my brotha!

But seriously, thank you Matt. If not for you I would have never taken the AdRev plunge. Your knowledge (not sales) of the process was a huge help. I figured heck. if AdRev gives Matt “that positive feeling” then surely I can sponge off him and get some love too!

Hahaha, no worries Paul! But yes, benefitting from one of the biggest ironies in the music industry is all very surreal at first, I have to admit. But ultimately, it really is worth it :slight_smile:


#16
MusicBoxStudios said

You’re getting around 900 views a day, and on average, 1,000 views equals $1.

Thanks! I’ve been looking for this information for the past 3 months!


#17
liambradbury said
MusicBoxStudios said

You’re getting around 900 views a day, and on average, 1,000 views equals $1.

Thanks! I’ve been looking for this information for the past 3 months!

No problem, so was I. Glad we got it.


#18

I think I’m finally on the brink of taking Matt’s advice on this one. I’ve had 3 tracks listed as an experiment (on Audiam, not AdRev, but a similar concept), for a few months, and just got my third statement (for August) - looks like it’s pretty close to the $1/1000 views rule of thumb that Paul reported. Not to get into exact numbers, but I will say that right now it looks quite promising and well worth straightening out a few customers who have had trouble disputing claims.

BTW - I don’t have any reason in particular that I used Audiam instead of AdRev (well, I do, but it was sort of a knee jerk reaction to a different marketplace that I felt was pushing AdRev on me - turns out I probably should have let them, c’est la vie). I haven’t had much experience with AdRev, but I’m willing to bet that they’re more polished than Audiam, which seems very beta. That said, they’ve been extremely responsive and have released claims within minutes of me telling them to on behalf of a customer.

Besides the potential $$, I started feeling like this was a necessary move because on 3 instances now I’ve had to deal with somebody else fingerprinting my songs. This is a good way to assert ownership and, as mentioned above, get some recompense for song theft. I’m fairly confident that a decent percentage of the claims that were listed for August were not via paid licenses. Also, it seems that more and more musicians are taking the plunge, and soon (if it isn’t already) this will just be pretty much the norm.

Honestly it still freaks me out a bit, and I’m still not sure that I understand all the ramifications, but I will be uploading several more masters over the rest of the year to see how it progresses.


#19
jhunger said

I think I’m finally on the brink of taking Matt’s advice on this one. I’ve had 3 tracks listed as an experiment (on Audiam, not AdRev, but a similar concept), for a few months, and just got my third statement (for August) - looks like it’s pretty close to the $1/1000 views rule of thumb that Paul reported. Not to get into exact numbers, but I will say that right now it looks quite promising and well worth straightening out a few customers who have had trouble disputing claims.

BTW - I don’t have any reason in particular that I used Audiam instead of AdRev (well, I do, but it was sort of a knee jerk reaction to a different marketplace that I felt was pushing AdRev on me - turns out I probably should have let them, c’est la vie). I haven’t had much experience with AdRev, but I’m willing to bet that they’re more polished than Audiam, which seems very beta. That said, they’ve been extremely responsive and have released claims within minutes of me telling them to on behalf of a customer.

Besides the potential $$, I started feeling like this was a necessary move because on 3 instances now I’ve had to deal with somebody else fingerprinting my songs. This is a good way to assert ownership and, as mentioned above, get some recompense for song theft. I’m fairly confident that a decent percentage of the claims that were listed for August were not via paid licenses. Also, it seems that more and more musicians are taking the plunge, and soon (if it isn’t already) this will just be pretty much the norm.

Honestly it still freaks me out a bit, and I’m still not sure that I understand all the ramifications, but I will be uploading several more masters over the rest of the year to see how it progresses.

Joel,

Perhaps do what I did. Start with a few of your “more likely to be pirated” tracks see how it feels first. Also, Jesse @ AdRev told me that despite the 4 month lag before results are reported and income earned, from that point forward the reports are monthly and payments quarterly as they are with most PRO’s.

By the way, thank you again for the advice on the Uke. I ended up with an Ibanez EW Cutaway Concert Acoustic-Electric
!https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97792296/2499-2.jpg!

I love it! Can’t play to save my life but I’m learning and practicing almost everyday.


#20
MusicBoxStudios said

Paul,

We will post our findings monthly, but on a 4 month delay. You started resubmitting in July, so your first earnings report will be up November 15th. You’re getting around 900 views a day, and on average, 1,000 views equals $1. So you’re on target to do pretty well!

So, while it doesn’t look like it will be a lot of money, it is motivation to submit more music and continue doing so moving forward.

Thanks for the information. I also started uploading songs in July. Every day I looked to check if there were results. Now I know I have to wait until November 15 to see the first results.

MusicBoxStudios said

But seriously, thank you Matt. If not for you I would have never taken the AdRev plunge. Your knowledge (not sales) of the process was a huge help. I figured heck. if AdRev gives Matt “that positive feeling” then surely I can sponge off him and get some love too!

+1!