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And in a few years ( not too many, though) , AI’s will whine on this very board. -Fellas, my song was rejected, any ideea why? I made the same melody like all of those pitiful hoomans, I even used ukulele and mute guitar layered on an epic orchestra, with claps and timpanies, and ’ hey’ . Named it 'This happy epic ukulele corporate ’ . What did I go wrong?
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Who knows, in future music might be reviewed by AI. Accept from AI and reject from composers.
I think, there’s actually too much negative hype about all that AI stuff. And there’s, as always nowadays, a mood like the end-of-the-world. Look back in the hstory what happened. Big disasters always happen. Remember the two world wars, remember economic crisis, remember COVID - we are still here.
It was clear and predicted many years ago, that AI will come and change our life. Now it happens and people are surprised and ranting about.
Life will go on, always with changes. But I don’t believe, that AI will only have negative influences to the music world.
If we are feared about new things - because we don’t know much about it - it’s understandable. But if we would avoid every progress in technology, only to avoid fear and change…we would still dancing around the Stonehenge stones, wrapped in animal furs and would make music with a flute made out of animal bones.
lol.
No-one is saying that ‘all AI is negative’ / ‘will only have negative influences’
We are saying the way Envato has handled the advent of AI is negative.
There is a big difference.
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Honestly, i cannot read one positive post abut AI here.
An regarding Envato#s behavior: do you really think, that it would make a little tiny change on the development of AI music, if yo have the opportunity to opt out from the AI learning process?
I agree, but there are two issues that are getting mixed in this thread.
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The foreseeable yet inevitable evolution of creation and creative markets, due to AI and it’s disruptive aspect.
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The disgrace of the abusive terms Envato is pushing on us.
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Again the question: Do yo think, it would make a tiny little difference in the development of AI music, if you have the opprtunity to opt out from that process with your music?
And another question: What would be your expectation on the Envato terms, to be acceptable for you?
In my opinion, they don’t. You have the opportunity to delete your content from here, if you are disagree to their terms. If you keep you content here, you automaticall agree to the new terms. Guys, that happens every day in all businesses. Look, how often you get new ToC letters from your insurance or from your bank. There you also have only one choice: agrree to keep them or disagree and you need a new bank or insurance.
I’m not delusional, of course it will make zero difference, if I, a single and mediocre author, opt out. But, that doesn’t change the fact that having my portfolio used for AI training or to be added to catalogues globally without having a say on its value whatsoever, not even knowing what crumbs I’ll be thrown at, is unacceptable.
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If AI developers want to use a royalty-free product for commercial purposes, they need to buy a full license for each item. Or the option not to participate in AI training. This is correct way.
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Here we are - that’s a bit of a defiant argument without any context.
See, that’s how it happens all day nowadays. If someone is not your opinion, he’s automatically against you. And obvioulsly that gives you the right to offend?
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Sure, AI development of music will proceed regardless.
But I personally don’t want it to train on my work. It’s pretty simple! I have deleted the 150 items in my portfolio as a result. It’s a shame because I would have liked to continue selling here, but without signing up for the AI. Other marketplaces allow you to opt out and continue selling, but not this one.
I’m very fortunate that I am not dependent on Audiojungle earnings. There was a time when I was. Other authors are not so lucky and they are forced to choose whether they want their work taken by a machine or leave the marketplace altogether. Why no middle ground?
Every author will have their own perspective on this. Indeed, some may welcome the chance for the extra earning potential that AI may bring!
The issue most have here is not with AI itself - that Envato has implemented this policy extremely hastily, and quite clearly with minimal input from the people that made the existence of their site possible. There’s a right and wrong way to go about this, and in my opinion, it’s the wrong way. General sentiment on these forums and online would also suggest that many agree. But of course, I understand that people will support this too, and that’s fine. It’s why we have a forum, to discuss these things. But no-one has said anything actually convincing in support of the policy. The discussion (to me) here is about Envato, not actually about AI.
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Well said Gareth! Enough’s Enough! Everyone will have their own opinion on what to do, mine was to delete my portfolio.
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For creative industries like ours, all the negative hype is justified for those that earn a living producing original photographs, video and music.
The impact is already being felt in photography, stock photo sites are starting to pivot to selling AI generated content.
AI generated images only started popping up a year or so ago, and weren’t great, in just a few months they’ve improved dramatically, to be indistinguishable from human art.
Video is in its infancy, but if it continues at its current rate of development, within a year it’s likely to be creating videos that are completely convincing.
Likewise, AI music isn’t great yet, but when it is, it will decimate the industry for musicians.
Big players like Universal have already said they will go completely AI when it’s feasible.
Of course the irony is that the stock photo, video and music sites will also be wiped out, why would a customer want to buy anything from them, when they can just type a few words into an AI and get the exact image, video or music track they want?
So for the customers, the people that buy all of our stuff, AI is great. They’ll be able to get exactly what they want cheap, or even free. For the people that would normally create that content to pay their mortgage, a negative reaction is justified.
I’ve no doubt Envato are being paid to allow access to our content, they’re not passing any of that on to authors (unlike Pond5), so it feels like they’re sucking the very last bit of cash they can from us before their entire business model goes down the toilet.
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Thank you for pointing out and explaining your opinion in a factual way.
I am convinced, that AI will change the producers life. With or without an opt-in from Envato and their authors.I guess, Envato is running a bit behind the train and made here an overhasty change on the terms without really knowing the consequences. But that’s the market. If you are too late - you are out.
other platforms give you the chance to opt out, but I have my doubts, that that would make any difference. It would only delaying the whole process a bit, if all authors would opt-out.
Reading this, by the way thank you, I am not sure about the development of the consumers behavior in the future. Can you imagine youtube channels filled with AI generated stuff while consumers knowing.“It’s created by a machine - there’s nothing real happening”. I guess, there will be a time, when consumers want stuff from real humans. People will watch that artificial content for a while, because it’s new. But I’m sure, that human creativity cannot be replaced by AI. If everyone has access to that AI content, what makes an end product “special” and standing out? At the end, there will be real musicians with their creativity, who are able to produce that emotions.
Sure, you’re right, I think there will always be a market for ‘human made’, much like after years of big supermarkets dominating food, people want more fresh, locally grown produce.
However, the vast, vast majority of people don’t, and won’t care.
If an AI photo, video or music track is completely indistinguiable from something created by a human, why would customers pay more, when they get no added benefit?
In particular the biggest market for stock media - corporate videos and advertising - really won’t care if the end result is real or AI, as long as it’s cost effective and does the job they want it to.
Take this AI video that recently did the rounds.
It’s awful, and quite disturbing! But it’s just the beginning, and within a few months will be even more convincing, in a year or so probably totally convincing.
If a company can create an advert, without the cost of hiring actors, musicians, or even video editors. An advert they can change at will (such as making it a snowy day for a Christmas version of the advert). An advert the viewers won’t even know is not real. Why wouldn’t they?
And unfortunately, we are coming to a point where we’ll no longer know if something we see or hear is real or fake, once that happens, it won’t matter anymore.
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They know exactly what’s coming.
Investment in AI is HUGE, billions of dollars are thrown at it and businesses seem to be happy to take the money regardless of the consequences to creators and their dying market.
You might get some pennies if you agree to the terms, but that won’t last long either.
Personally, I’m maddened by all the mandatory actions forced down our throats in these last years, starting with the Covid regulations that seem to benefit only the big players…
This might be a different topic, but the principle holds. “My way or the highway” is a predatory behavior and should be unacceptable in a truly free society or in this case a free market.
Anyway, I’m thinking about moving to another library that hopefully won’t take the same route, so if anyone has any suggestions please send me a PM! Thanks.
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