there is only u do to get excited about this! lol the fact of the matter is that growing your portfolio here now is far from easy , there are lots of rejections due to saturated markets , i know what i am talking about , as an experienced designers with 16+ years in an agency , i help a lot of people with their rejections and believe me, myself i am far from from freed from rejections too …
@DREAMYARD_Visuals
lol yeah but do not make me laugh , will u , this is sort of normal for any author to have more gain that the previous year as u are supposed to have much more items for sale as time goes by (at least if u are an active author , this stands to evidence), the market gets used to u , u have made some recurrent buyers discover u and buy on regular basis and so on. So , so if your global perspective is definitely interesting and true, there was something still left to be said to portrait an accurate picture, that the move to america means more fees for authors and piracy is definitely helping them to survive as designers and most importantly as exclusive marketplace runners and that as for the story of demand and supply that this is very convenient a principle that does not take strategy from the company, which is rather naive …
@Novocaina yeah but can we talk about choices for authors?! LOL because u can choose to apply and not to get selected whether u want to join or not …
Choice is very wide - Envato is not only marketplace also authors here are not forced to sell exclusively - let’s start with that
PS. Choices for customers first (for authors in second place - pro customers policy my friend, read about Amazon where one major mistake and your account is closed (which can be opened once in your name, company etc.) and founds (often hundrets of thousands euros) are frozen … why? because of customer major complain. That’s why amazon is extremely difficult, that’s why you can earn big there, that’s why this is customers nr 1 choice, that’s why Jeff Bezos (owner) is the richest man on the planet at the moment. Pro customer policy (not author choices).
Maybe as a whole, but even Collis said that Market sales had been decreasing year on year (the opposite of what you just said), that is what this topic is about, not Envato Corporate revenue
Quote of Collis 2019 Public Impact Statement post:
Well he said Envato so I was commenting on Envato as a whole. Would be highly unlikely that the marketplaces wouldn’t at least see a reduction in growth after launching Elements.
As for the bonus… that could be as a result of less subscribers/revenue, but could just as easily be as a result of the same or even higher revenue… just people using their subscriptions more often. Or it could be an increase in authors and content which is out of sync with whatever the increase in subscribers is.
I guess if your item earnings are staying the same and your bonus is dropping… that’ll be people using their subscription more often. If your item earnings have dropped and your bonus has dropped… that’ll be one of the other reasons.
There are global trends on digital goods. More subscription services, cheaper prices, etc.
Nowadays almost every artist knows about template platforms, lots of participate and much more items flooded market than years before - that’s my base about demand and supply. I would say I’ve already accepted faith of market (To be clear I think it would for high-end premium templates, no low/mid authors only high-tier. And everything else goes to subscription, but I could be wrong:)) Anyway it is easier to adapt for me than to fight with windmills.
Being in this topic, we think it was implied that by “Envato” meant the Marketplaces.
But that’s goes against what the staff said. When people complained about the aggressive Elements banner ads, they said that Elements and Market were aimed towards completely different buyers and Elements won’t be poaching customers from the Markets
Whatever the reason is, the bottomline is the same. Authors earnings keep thinning out. We think that one on the reasons Market is going downwards is the over saturation of items that almost 90% look basically the same.
What’s been dropping is the % of bonus (that doesn’t have to do with individual earnings, just with upload requirements), ranging from 2 to 4 % less than previous months. From the looks of it, this month will also be 39% when previous months were of %42-43
Also, the confusing banners advertising Elements aren’t doing the market any favors, we all know that frustrated buyers lead to less sales…
this is BONUS - this is not something you earned with your basic downloads. What - is this social assistance here or something? War for bonus? You should be happy you have any bonus at all because Envato could just write one line in the terms and conditions that unused subscriptions are going for example here: https://envatofoundation.org/ and nobody would know about this and there wouldn’t be even this discussion about bonuses.
Give people hand and they will eat whole arm. Something true about that
the word itself says it, it’s BONUS not a gift or a present that Envato gives,
THIS IS NOT CHARITY. This is a reward for authors who work on publishing new items, that’s why they chaged the BONUS REQUIREMENTS. REQUIREMENTS means it’s something you EARN. Do you think that the bonus earnings are charity?
That’s something Envato does to complement the authors earnings because, otherwise, Elements would be terrible. Do you really think that things like Wordpress themes or HTML templates are really worth some cents a download?
Also, why is this need to always belittle authors? We just pointed out something that is happening, that author bonus share is decreasing, read our post again, we never asked or demanded for a bigger bonus, just stating a trend, that, we don’t know about you, but our team an their families depend on both the Markets and Elements, so it’s a serious issue for us.
because more people are eligible for bonus now - simple math - unused subscriptions are shared between more authors now - also if customers start using their all subscriptions there will be no bonus at all , so what is the issue here? You just want to let us know obvious thing (which is bonus case) or … ? because maybe I missed something ?
Talking about bonuses etc is ok, no problem but I see some people are getting angry because bonus is lower etc which is nobody fault
It doesn’t matter why is it that the bonus is lower, it was an on-topic remark because someone mentioned that Envato sales (revenue) were increasing year after year, which doesn’t necessarily mean that individual authors are earning more, that’s the why of our lower bonus remark. That’s what you maybe missed
LOL i was talking about authors as far as joining was concerned , i am not sure but i think there is a little misunderstanding between the both of us about this, right? but anyway , in case , i just failed to understand what u said , well , if so what is the criteria to select sellers? selling? well i know a good deals of guys there that do not sell so much and that globally sell less than a good deal of designers, me included (though i am not the best seller in the world lol i acknowledge it without any problem … ) experience? well there are many very experienced designers - me included - who never could make it there … customer satisfaction? well a lot of guys who get accepted in the program do not have as good ratings as guys who could not join, me included … style? well , what is proving that people like what u do apart from people buying, people giving u a good rating and in other words if u have important a commercial potential enough?
well we can dream on lol, as who can define quality then? i am sorry but i have seen a lot in the party flyer category and all i can tell u is that they try to push people into those minimalistic styles in a general way, which is not compatible with quality and higher originality items. In the meanwhile, the progressive raising standards have led the same people to have their flat things keeping going through while more and more good items are binned in a second while some items of guys with portfolios of 3K items with 700 undoes items are keeping on making it and that a good deal of items accepted several years ago are kept while they did not sell at all ever since and that they are just taking space on servers for nothing, if in 2 years or something like this, no matter what is the reason, u have not sold your item, then this is very unlikely to have it sold in the future. moreover, lots of my friends are laughing when they had their items hard rejected here and that their concerned items are selling big somewhere else
in case u did not get it, gif authors let it go all the way and accept absolutely everything ,the worst can be expected for the future in a context in which authors are not much taken into account
LOL u really think so? u think that guys who are very good are necessarily successful ? lol well i would like to share your enthousiasm lol but i am not, a lot of success things are not related to quality work and so on but rather on quantity that depends on reviewing and on positioning in search engines that is more or less related to the previous issues that i mentioned. networking is much of a big deal too
@n2n44 - if we talking about you, your style, experience, quality etc. - for me you are the one who should be on elements first - and I mean that. Do You know why Andrew (sko4) got finally accepted on elements? Because I told him to not make a step back in trying, no matter what - and voila and believe me there is no any eastern europe coalition etc
the coalition thing was a joke, i try o be funny sometimes, i guess it did not work well though lol and to reply to the rest of your message , well i did not necessarily talk about myself , even if i could i think that was also true in my case … the thing was more about questioning what is considered for people to join …
They changed the requirements as they wanted to incentivise authors to submit more items. Requirements does not mean it’s something you earn, you’ve just decided that it is. It’s requirement that you upload a thumbnail, or show your passport when checking in for a flight, or that you have a driving license… but none of those have anything to do with earnings.
That could be the case, but there’s no evidence to support it… so you can’t say whether it’s true or not. The only thing we know for certain is that Envato decided to share unused subscriptions with Elements contributors rather than keep it for themselves which they would have been well within their rights to do so.
No, but the way Elements works, that’s what they are worth. But even if you factor in the bonus, they’re only worth around 40% more than ‘a few cents’… does that make everything ok for you?
Well they had to call it something, and monthly gift or monthly present would just sound weird. If somebody is signed up to Elements and they’ve not downloaded anything… there would be nothing wrong with Envato just keeping that money. You can argue that it’s some kind of compensation for low earnings per download, but unless Envato come out and admit that… that’s not what it is. Envato thought about whether they should keep it or share it with authors and they decided to share it with authors. You can read into whatever you like, but it doesn’t make it true.
Yes elements had an effect a lot; but don’t forget the fact that there is a financial melt down in all major markets. Corona stopped life and there is a great economic fear. People fear that it might be worse than 2008.
Also USD became very valuable against other currencies. In Turkey 1USD = 1.9TL in 2013, now it’s 6.3TL. Once an ordinary 49USD theme was less than 100TL, now it’s more than 300TL. Meanwhile, minimum wage in Turkey is 2000TL. How can ordinary people buy from Envato?
I think Envato should permit us to set different prices for different countries.
and believe me there is no any eastern europe coalition etc