Thoughts on Publishers?

Indeed, it can be confusing. So, for the sake of clarification, here’s a quote from Audiojungle’s FAQ:

Isn’t AudioJungle music royalty free?

Yes, generally the music you get on AudioJungle is royalty free:

All Non-P.R.O. music on AudioJungle is royalty and performance royalty free.

P.R.O. music is still royalty free on AudioJungle, meaning that your license purchase allows you to use the music in your end product for as long as you need, and you’ll never have to pay Envato any additional ongoing fees or royalties based on your usage.

For P.R.O. music, if you are not publicly performing or broadcasting it at all, it’s effectively royalty free.

For P.R.O. music that is performed or broadcast, the performance royalties are typically already being paid out as blanket fees by the broadcasters and venues, and in the majority of cases you as the customer won’t need to pay any additional performing rights fees. So for most customers even using P.R.O. music will not require anything more than your AudioJungle license purchase, and is still effectively royalty free.

Envato still considers all their music to be royalty-free, and as such the music should not be registered with other types of royalties organizations.

Dear friend,

Sure we agree…It’s basically all I wrote you before which is demonstrated again here:

How come if the author is being payed PERFORMING ROYALTIES for a track that is ROYALTY FREE? Does it make sense to your logic?

Don’t get tricked by the marketing term “royalty free” presented by Envato and think about it for a second logically, plus Envato aims on simplifying things and to attract more customers and they do it very well and cleverly where even you got fouled :slight_smile: because I see NOWHERE CLEARLY them claiming that music is royalty free. All I see is (pay attention on the bolds):

  1. Yes, generally the music you get on AudioJungle is royalty free

Generally…

  1. P.R.O. music is still royalty free on AudioJungle, meaning that your license purchase allows you to use the music in your end product for as long as you need, and you’ll never have to pay Envato any additional ongoing fees or royalties based on your usage.

Yes of course as long as it is not public like explained in point 3. But we are talking about PERFORMING ROYALTIES. If it’s a production to keep for yourself then obviously you have no reason to fill a CUE SHEET (or your broadcast company) so no royalties.

  1. For P.R.O. music, if you are not publicly performing or broadcasting it at all, it’s effectively royalty free.

Again. If you keep it for personal use of course there are no royalties. Do you pay royalties everytime you listen to music on your hi-fi at home or ipod at the gym?

  1. “For P.R.O. music that is performed or broadcast, the performance royalties are typically already being paid out as blanket fees by the broadcasters and venues, and in the majority of cases you as the customer won’t need to pay any additional performing rights fees. So for most customers even using P.R.O. music will not require anything more than your AudioJungle license purchase, and is still effectively royalty free.”

I already shared this argument with you in my previous post.

Anyway, I’m not here to change your mind about what is royalty free music. There is plenty of free info out there to enlighten you. Only trying to help clearing some things up.

Thanks

While I appreciate you trying to explain to me what PROs are and what royalty-free music is, you’re missing the point.

This excerpt is Audiojungle trying to justify how their music remains royalty-free while still being registered with PROs. Now, you may or may not agree with their reasoning, but that’s irrelevant.

However if you register your music with an organization that collects royalties other than performance royalties, then the buyer may be responsible for paying those and that would not be allowed by Envato.

Hey @ZodiacArts and @PurpleFogSound.
As I said in a previous post, I did contact Audiojungle and the PRS about this some time ago and they both said it is ok to register my Audiojungle tracks with the PRS. I have also received Royalties through the PRS for one my tracks that was used in a TV show, so in my opinion it is worth doing.
But I must stress that although @ZodiacArts has explained it all here very well, If you have any doubts about this then you must contact Audiojungle and your PRO directly. This way you will have written conformation/evidence in case any problems arise in future.

I really feel like I was misunderstood. I never said registering music with PRS was an issue.

All I’m saying is that Envato allows performance royalties to be collected, but no other types of royalties.

So, you should be aware of that before registering your music with these other organizations that collect royalties other than performance royalties. And I suggest, if you have doubts, that you contact Envato’s support and ask them if you are allowed to collect on royalties that are not performance royalties.

Y’all have a nice day!

I’m giving up :slight_smile: Wish you all the best!

P.S.: you have a strong example of how things work looking at @GavinJack case like he shared with us :slight_smile:

Personal advice to you @PurpleFogSound register to SACEM and increase the chances to get extra money form these 800+ sales you have here! It’s a pity!!!

Hi @PurpleFogSound

Maybe we did misunderstand your point there. If so, I do apologise. But all I can say its that you might be due a lot more income if you register your tracks. I got £200 for just one of my tracks and I continue to get PRS royalties from it. Your music is great and you have a lot of sales, so I expect you will benefit from registering your tracks. I just put my PRO number next to my author name on my Audiojungle tracks as you can see on my Audiojungle profile. I would recommend that you get some confirmation emails from Audiojungle and your PRO first.
Below is what Audiojungle said to me :slight_smile:

Hi GavinJack,

Thanks for taking your time to contact the Envato Help Team. This is Synthia at your service!

You will need to determine the details of registering your track with PRS with that specific society. However, we need to remind you that you will have to update your account’s settings to reflect that you have a P.R.O. affiliation, even though only one of your tracks will be registered.

I’m here to help if you need any further assistance.

Warm Regard,

Synthia J.

Hi Synthia.
Thanks for getting back to me. I have already updated my account to say that I am a member of the PRS. Is there anything else I need to do on the audiojungle side? I thought that I might have to put something in the tune description to say that this tune is registered with the prs or something.

Regards

Gavin

Hi Gavin,

In this case there is nothing else you should do.

If you will check your item’s page you will now notice that there is a box mentioning: ‘This author is affiliated with the “United Kingdom PRS” P.R.O.’

All the best!

Synthia J.

Good Luck :smile:

As I said in my last post, I never once said registering your music with a PRO was an issue.

Of course I know you can register your music with PROs. I saluted Envato for making the change in their policy.

You guys were talking about registering with organizations that would collect on royalties other than performance royalties, and this is why I stepped in. Had I know it would have resulted in such misunderstandings, I would have refrained.

Ok. I get what you are saying. I did state in a previous post that the PPL told me not to register my tracks with them. and as for the MCPS, I have no choice as they are linked to the PRS here in the UK.

Previous post—

“Hi there. To be honest, the PRS staff are so vague and frustratingly bad at there jobs that I’m not sure if the information they gave me is correct. Since starting this thread I have registered a few audiojungle tracks with the PRS and they have paid me some royalties on those tracks. I have also registered with the MCPS and am waiting to see if I get any royalties from them.
Here in the UK, we have the PRS who deal with “performance royalties”, the MCPS for “mechanical royalties” and the PPL who deal with “performer and rights holder royalties”.
It’s my understanding that as long as you register with all of these organisations (for UK based artists at least) then you will cover all of the bases for getting paid.
However the more helpful staff at the PPL have told me not to register any royalty free music with them. But I recommend speaking to the PPL for advice on that.”

It’s good to have these discussions even though it can get a bit confusing for all sometimes. And things can be missed if we join half way through the conversation. I have done this many times myself.

Yes, I had read that PPL told you not to register with them. And then @ZodiacArts said :

Which is what triggered my stepping in. And which is the point we do not agree on, as in my opinion you are not allowed to collect on those “different type of royalties”, and thus should not register… as they themselves told you.

Cool. I’m glad this is all clear now. And I still recommend to anyone who needs information on this to contact the companies directly.

Cheers :smile:

Things are for sure clearer now…In any case there are no tons of royalties to get in general (always talking about the UK). The ones I know are:

PRS: Collects and distributes royalties on behalf of songwriters, composers and music publishers for the use of their musical compositions and lyrics.

MCPS: Collects and distributes mechanical royalties on behalf of their members like commercially released by a record company on a CD, DVD or LP, recorded and used by a radio or TV programme, recorded and used for an audiovisual or multimedia production, used online.

PPL: Collects and distributes royalties on behalf of performers and record companies for the use of their recorded music. (PPL vs PRS)

@PurpleFogSound it’s not about agreeing or disagreeing. It’s about facts and how things are.

Again, the response that @GavinJack got refers to ROYALTY FREE music. @GavinJack music registered in any of these royalty collection societies is NOT ROYALTY FREE. This is what I’ve been trying to explain to you all this time :slight_smile:

On the other hand we agree, that PPL DOES NOT DISTRIBUTE ROYALTIES ON MUSIC THAT IS ROYALTY FREE!!! That’s what they are telling him “PPL have told me not to register any royalty free music with them”.

Things are very simple I don’t know why so much trouble :slight_smile: Please dude @PurpleFogSound go register some tracks let 2-3 years to pass and if you see positive income register more! Or don’t lose time and register all NOW! It’s a pity 800+ sales like I said not talking advantage you have nothing to lose!!!

What has this got to do with this? Your saying this shows that you did not understand what I was saying. Also, please don’t patronize me like that. I don’t care for this tone.

Never replayed you to this comment!

Really glad you like my stuff! Doing only acoustic guitar there absolutely nothing bad with it! If you craft to the 100% this talent of yours it’s going to be very unique! Keep it up and you will learn little by little about arranging your ameliorate the sound quality of your productions! In the UK you have amazing studios that could help you out with recording-mixing and mastering!

I offer these services myself Zodiac | Creative Arts Productions but it’s stupid to look for these services abroad when living in the UK!

Keep it up :wink:

It looks like you don’t understand what you’re missing that’s all. All I’m trying to do is help…You’re missing something into all this story with the royalties but cannot spend my time try to explain you more. Or maybe I’m wrong but again, you do whatever you have to do and I do whatever I have to do.

But my last advice was that you have nothing to lose despite what you think or what I think is right and how things work with royalties. Just give it a try. If getting advices make you feel being patronized that’s your problem not mine. Work it with yourself. Sorry.

Could you explain to me please why you think we shouldn’t submit to AJ music registered with MCPS or PPL? But with justifications! We have already explained you that it is possible, it’s happening, we are doing it! At least with MCPS. But explain why we shouldn’t do it with MCPS and PPL?