To be honest, I don’t find this idea lucrative enough: Probably 95% Authors / 5% buyers would be interested in purchasing presets and many Authors wouldn’t share or buy any of them. I certainly wouldn’t.
I could use stock presets (for let’s say a synth) and alter one parameter for each new preset, one after another and upload all of them. Reviewers would have to own EVERY plugin on the earth to check it and Envato would have to develop and test this. In the end it would eat up more money than it would generate. It would also encourage people to use the same presets/sounds and copy themselves.
But if people already own that plugin, why would they buy a slight alteration of a preset that comes with it?
It would definitely be lucrative but it could easily be expensive too depending on how it’s set up, again I highly doubt someone is smarter than all of the world’s smartest people put together and has some magical ability to perfectly reproduce every sound you hear and for a bunch of different plugins. Envato also don’t have to own every synthesizer right away, just like envato doesn’t own every photo manipulation software or every 3d modeling software.
In fact, since presets are so simple to work with, you don’t need a reviewer at all, you can simply have a report system in case someone copies a pre-existing preset and just have a rating system wherein plugins with a two ratings of 2.5 or lower are automatically deleted after a week, If someone does copy a default preset and a customer buys it, by its very nature the customer isn’t liable for anything because it’s a preset they already own.
Considering how they price music here, I’m afraid they would offer packages of 10,000 presets for $1 in an effort to devalue that market too. And I’m sure they wouldn’t screen the presets for copyright infringement, so you’d have people using bogus names selling every preset from every VSTi they own - or cracked - without even tweaking them.
Plus, I think the average composer has so many VSTi’s, each with thousands of presents, that they don’t need to purchase more. If I have less than a 100,000 presets, I’d be super surprised, and that’s a low estimate. And if you need more sounds, on each of these VSTi’s, there are these little things that look like sliders and knobs. They actually work. And there’s a “save” icon where your can store the results. Imagine that! If you already have even just 1,000 presest and one soft synth, I’m sure you can tweak plenty of those sounds to make what you want from now until the end of time. It’s not difficult, and if you’re just using presets, I suppose that says something about creativity level right there. Besides, if this was lucrative, you would see a lot more third party companies making presets.
I’m saying again I want to buy some and I know other people want to as well,
no would would ever make 10000 presets and sell them for $1. If someone is making money selling a good preset here, it’s going to be something particularly unique and/or high quality, because those are the only presets that would get any attention due to what you said.
people can report presets that are copies and customers aren’t liable anyway
most VSTs come with a maximum of 100 presets, sometimes less than 20, maybe kontakt is the only main one that has that many, maybe, and still for considerable money.
and like I said, i got like 1800+ sales from presets I made myself, if you think everything I make is easy you’re free to try and reproduce what I put up from scratch. Personally, I’d prefer to save some time and tweak some things because there’s still and always will be an infinite number if sounds that have never been hears before, there’s lots of different presets that people would like to manipulate on their own that no synthesizer currently has a preset for. There’s plenty of unique sounds out there, you just have to find them.
there are already presets and the likes that are sold but not on platforms as big and famous as Evnato or with that many to begin with per vst.
It always great to come here with new ideas but I’m +1 don’t think Envato is place for selling presets. And we had the daw projects section for years wich seems not to be a great deal for buyers.
If not Envato, then who? No one else has the means to pull it off on such a large scale because no one else is that close to also selling presets on top of all the other specific markets Envato has. Entire daws wouldn’t be a bad idea either I just don’t know if Envato would sell them for high enough to incentivise daw creators, and then because of how expensive they would likely be they may not get enough sales, but I’d still be inteterested. But if people make entire wordpess themes and sell them for like $40 there will probably be people who make daws too.
How do they check? Same way people check with music and source files and even graphic river, the people and just basic searches, hence why I have a copywrite ninja badge. But you’re also missing the point: if someone tries to sell a preset that everyone already has, why would anyone buy it?
Right but what happens if I only want one preset from a file and not a $43 song? I’m forced to spend $43 anyway. What happens if I want something that’s uncommon? No one is going to have it for a source file because people only make source files for the most cliche audio. What happens if I want sound effects and not a song? Well most source files are for music.
I think you missed the sarcasm in my first paragraph. However, it might be helpful to take note of all these arguments from several people against this being a good idea since they’re coming from people who are in the potential customer base. Besides, the real money would be in sample libraries, not VST presets.
Market research is important. Modern VSTs worth buying have a lot more than 100 presets. Just ONE of mine, Omnisphere 2, has over 12,000 patch presets, so does Titan 2 with 12,800 presets. Composer’s Cloud from EWQL has 56 products with literally millions of samples, as @Soundlufs mentioned, and Komplete Ultimate has 17,000 presets. Even just one of the several synths that comes with Cubase 8.5, Retrologue 2, has 700 presets - that’s well over 100.
Now @kajiwarasan has brought us forward to an idea that does sound interesting, “real money would be in sample libraries” he said. That does sound more relevant, and really pick up your initial idea @PixelLoveLLC, that there is a place for creators to show their design talent (also with synth sounds, as many of these are sample based nowadays) .
And there is the thingie, that many many of the commercial sample libraries are trying to be versatile, hence they choose to record basic styles of playing, leave the sound mostly unprocessed to appeal to broader range of musicians etc. So I assume, that if you pick up a great guitar, amp it certain way, play it at the right way for some style etc. it can comprise a viable 15-19 bucks set, and get people interested. Some would like Kontakt patch, some sf2 soundfont. I guess it gets easier after you have done it several times. I assume great sounding, “out of the box” patches would sell.
This way it sounds much more interesting, as I bet there are tons of talented instrumentalists out there, and people who own vintage synths, organs etc. or have other crazy ideas for an instrument.
