Thanks Envato

Thank you Envato for destroying the market with Elements that has taken away a supplementary income for thousands of non-Elements authors. Audiojungle really has become a ghost town as sales and traffic has been driven away. Once again thanks.


Same here Graham. I’ve been with AudioJungle for 10 years and throughout that time could rely on a steady monthly income. Not any more though. My sales have all but dried up. :unamused:

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Believe me, if it was not Elements, it would be all other subscription based libraries/websites that has emerged recently. In fact, Envato did a good job by reacting in time. Its a business, if you won’t adapt to the modern and everchanging tendencies you will die as a company. There are hundreds of examples…

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%100 agreed.
the new world order is forcing the subscription model on everyone,

“You will own nothing and you will be happy”

My suggestion is to keep perpetual licenses of software you purchased intact,
It won’t be long until even Ableton Live will become subscription based…

On a business level I agree with you however by implementing a link on the marketplace (making it distinctly different within the GUI) and reaching out and inviting only a select number is a little disrespectful to the other authors.
Also subscription will only lead to misuse of licensing for broadcast purposes.


I don’t think we need to blame Envato for this race to the bottom. First of all, there are a lot of competing markets, such as Epidemic. However, I have found that most of the use of Elements music is by companies who make short promo videos, and believe me, they have money to pay more. The best solution is to differentiate between personal and commercial use with two types of subscription prices. What made me most angry was the use of Elements music in broadcasts on huge TVs. Only Content ID and PRO can solve this situation somehow. I spent hours writing for such broadcasters, and we ended up purchasing a broadcast license from the market. This is a huge problem, and Envato needs to clearly explain what is allowed and what is not


In 2023 you can’t own: Cinema 4D, Photoshop, After Effects, X-Particles, and many other programs anymore… (Pretty sure its going the same route in Audio software , I know Waves are also on the same path)

Also, Elements customers don’t OWN our products, they are merely “subscribed” to them…
That’s how it changed.
@ToivoMedia Why did you delete your comment?

Customers don’t own our products if they buy from Audio Jungle either. No change there, they are still just buying a licence to use it. We own our music. I deleted because I thought it wasn’t relevant to what you were saying about software changing to subscriptions.

Buying a license vs Renting a license. Big difference here.
Audiojungle is a one time fee, once its bought the license is THEIRS,
sure, we own the music, but they own the license with Audiojungle,
With Envato Elements, they are merely “leasing” the license,
as long as they keep paying a recurring monthly fee.

So the licence to use the music ends when the customer unsubscribes from Elements? How could you possibly enforce that?

Actually the stock composers (including AudioJungle authors) have started ride to the bottom. Do you remember fixed 19$ price for a track on AudioJungle? It was ridiculous prices for a track. It was a scandal for the established composers from the music industry. And we partially took their jobs.

After few years we have became established stock composers but… online services did the money-making trick again inviting only some of us.

It will not stop until we’re united.

Blame Envato, blame the online industry but blame us too.


personally, I can’t enforce anything , but from a legal standpoint = yes

No the license remains valid just the same as with AJ. They just can’t use the music in new projects.


100% agree with every sentence of this post.

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I don’t think musicians are necessarily to blame, far less than other elements (excuse the pun.) Because it’s an international industry accessible to people in countries with very low cost of living. So seems like it would have been very difficult to stop the race to the bottom? Also there must be more musicians now who are making professionally usable music than ever before. I don’t know what the solutions are unfortunately.

In music its a bit different than other things such as Codes, Templates and Themes,
If they buy it on the Market, they’re entitled for upgrades forever…

If they “lease” it from Envato Elements, once they unsubscribe, they can’t update the theme or template, Even if they registered it and their license is still “valid”

I see, that makes sense. Although through non subscription markets like AJ, you also have a limit on how many projects you can use music for. “Use in one end product” per licence.

If you make a new edit of the same song, they won’t be able to access it if they unsubscribed from Elements.
However, if they bought the same song on Audiojungle, they’ll be able to download the new edit.

Also, the next thing to blame will be AI and Neural Networks…There is always be something to blame. We need to improve our skills and adapt.


The point I was trying to make, albeit badly, was the way in which Elements has been advertising on the market as an integrated link and so traffic has been shifted.