Music Submission Limits Update

Thanks @LastSynth , I found this information too yesterday.

Maybe it’s happened, because I deleted some of last approved tracks from my portfolio, and they don’t count as approved in my approval ratio.

It will be great, if we just can see the approval ratio in our dashboard, not only limit, to have an understanding what the situation is at this moment.

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Same mouth as me , mate. Idea of focus group not to judge anyone portfolio or quality or whatsoever. Focus groups is very well established mechanic’s in various business processes. It is represented “Average Joe” and aimed to target groups. They created for testing of future products, or to accumulate feedback. So i believe because this is not yesterday created mechanic’s, there is good tools to avoid shifting from objectivity. I personally do not believe Envato will do it but in some form this process exists, i participated in beta testing, it was great experience. I believe Envato need to go further and discuss some vital changes that affecting us, suppliers of products to their success. As for now, declaration “together we succeed” sounds a little bit ironical for me, and more about past, not present time.

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@steve_lam
Hello, I’m an author here and composition is my great passion but my first job is psychiatrist and researcher. Though I’m not expert in this specific field I guess I can make some observation according to my professional experience. I have some concerns on your policy and, above all, on how your are managing the data that bring to such policy.

Data concerns
Here you provided just a few synthetic results, but I hope you managed the data more carefully. Did you run any statistical analysis? You should exclude the chance that observed variations are not accidental. More important: your results on Authors with >50% ratio are not clear to me. You observed a 25% increase but they are not individually submitting more than before. How is that possible? A possible explanation would be that such increased is only relative, due to the reduction from <50% authors, but this would methodologically wrong.
Finally your results don’t explain why the queue length is still increasing. With a 40% reduction from <50% authors I would expect at least some decreasing which didn’t happen. I have some more concerns about data but I don’t want to be too verbose (though I’m already being). I will be available if needed.

Short and long term effects
As I mentioned before, the big issue is understanding why the queue length didn’t decreased. My concern is that though you didn’t achieve the expected outcome you fixed even more restrictive rules. First you should rather understand why your intervention didn’t make things better (queue length). I would not expect better results with more restrictive rules.

Also, this way you are creating a large group of “nothing to loose” authors. This will bring to two kind of reactions: 1) discouraging new authors who will give up; 2) conversely, stubborn authors with a very low approval ratio will keep sending as many tracks as they can just to try achieving the approval threshold. In my personal experience, when I read about the new approval ratio I felt the urgency to submit a couple if items this month to try increasing my ratio. What’s funny with this is that I don’t even submit more than two items per month! But I felt like I had nothing to loose.

As @RedOctopus wrote, such decisions will affect the market in the long run and I’m not sure it will go in a better way. Discouraging new authors will dangerously limit your life-blood.

Probably you should differentiate more your rules. I figure that some authors are just too far from a decent level but they keep submitting tracks. Probably they should be prevented from submitting new tracks for a limited period (which means: increase your level and then try again). On the other hand I guess that there are a lot of talented authors that can be usefully grown-up. It takes some time to fully understand the rules of the game and a lot of people have a few rejection at the begin. Do you really want to loose all this?

One last issue. Making the approval threshold up to 70% will mean especially for growing authors no chance to be mistaken. With a large margin of arbitrariness, how can I be sure my track will be approved? I will just try to submit very standard tracks, similar to tons of tracks you have already published. No space for innovate or experiment. This will generate a reflection of the actual music/market with no chance for this market to grow up and propose something new.
I’m afraid AJ policy will risk to lower the quality level (I have a couple of good ideas to increase the market, but I don’t feel like share them publicly, so if any of AJ staff will read this post they can feel free to get in touch with me and discuss it).

A minor final issue. Making retroactive rules isn’t usually fair. The approval ratio should be more fairly evaluated from now on. For example, though my approval rate is ok this year (about 50% I guess), it’s strongly affected by last year when I was totally new to AJ. Given the number of items I currently submit the limit won’t change much for me but I still believe this issue could be worked out in a more fair way.

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Interesting experience for begginer authors.
Hope you solved this problem.

Hi all, thanks for your responses so far. I’m gathering together some feedback that I should hopefully be able to get back to you with tomorrow :slight_smile:

Thank you, Steve!

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Yes a long time has passed, and your words are valid and meaningful in many ways. Just wanted to say to you personally, (and Steve will provide more official response to all soon as he said) that while everyone may have their certain view of what is truly needed, for sure, old and new, the reality is that simply hearing and listening to voices (old and new) from focus groups to solve all the very obvious and issues still affects other issues and consequences after more time passes.

For the record, there is in fact a team still that interviews many authors, and feedback is there, in many ways, and many wish the answers and solutions could just be “Simply” fixed, as you stated.

But even with all the feedback and issues, really, it’s not ignorance, and the reasons that something is done (or even not done) happen because it’s discovered or decided that the opposite could be more unbalanced, or could affect other unknown situations, or organizational risks, importantly, based on analysis of both author groups and customers data, and also platform capacities that authors don’t see, and not just for Audio, and more needs to be learned. Many many aspects are balanced, or imbalanced, very often imperfectly at any parts of the process, that is for sure…

But nearly always, I could say in my own experience here, when we think it could be “So Simple” to fix a problem that we have, it’s actually not. It’s quite more complex actually, by a lot.

In any case, look, luche pozdno chem nikogda still exists - Better late than never na russkom - and another thing to say is that this year has also shown some rather unexpected lessons that were understood, for better changes for more music authors in 2021.

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Thank you for your response. Every time you do it i see how wise and full of love and patience you are. Great to see your voice from “other side”. I know, things are more complicated than they look, but sometimes we left with bitter feelings, with no way to express our fears and ideas. I hope next year will be better and predictable. Thank you again.

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These changes are a nightmare for the vast majority of aspiring authors. Let’s imagine, that I have 50% of approval ratio. To increase it up to 70% I will need about 3 month of 100% approves. 2 tracks per month means that your sales will fall down to about 0.
Why were there no warnings in advance about such fundamental changes???
Why is there such a huge difference??? 30 tracks and 2 tracks per month. That’s a travesty.
And we can’t even see this “approval ratio” and we didn’t even know about it before.
It’s incredible how easily large corporations can play with people’s fates.
Thank you, Envato!

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Maybe let’s go back to old good system - 5 tracks per time?! :smirk:

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Hi Steve,

thank you for letting us take part in the discussion!

I am pretty new to AJ (since June 2020) but managed to get my approval rate close to 100% pretty quickly.

My concern would be (as someone before mentioned) that after the new rules many composers will tend to only write “safe” music. What do I mean by that: With some of my tracks I am 100% shure that they will get accepted and I could easily write those until the end of my life with a (close to) 100% approval rate. Sofar so good.

But being human and a composer I want to try out new stuff/genres/sounds, which might be a little “risky” when uploading to Audiojungle. This is not bad music, this is different music that maybe is not in the “AJ style” but could help diversify the AJ catalouge. e.g. gypsy swing, pop or acoustic tracks that are more organic, still high quality of course but are neither “uplifting, inspirational, motivational… you name it”.

In other words: If you ask for the ukulele+clap happy stuff / the dotted 8ths muted guitar + bells corporate stuff / the generic orchestra stuff: that’s what you get.

I know, especially during covid there is a LOT of diversity going on on AJ (e.g. some really great jazz stuff) but with the new guidelines composers might tend to compose “safely” if that makes sense.

In addition to that: Do you really want single composers to upload 30 tracks a month? Copy/paste might be the result.

I don’t want to be in your position with tons of (good) music coming in every minute but here is my suggestion: introduce a third step:

under 50% --> 2 tracks a month
50-75%: --> 5 tracks a month
over 75%: 10 tracks a month

Am I getting hate for this? We’ll see. Let’s have a discussion about it.

All the best to all you great authors!
Andy

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under 50% --> 2 tracks a month
50-70%: --> 5 tracks a month
over 70%: 15 tracks a month

I fully agree that such a scheme looks much more balanced and adequate.

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Thats hilarious.My approval rate is 100%. Still, i am not planning to upload more than 9-10 tracks per month. And to be honest, noone should.Unless you are working with a team, everything will be a total disaster.Writing/arranging/producing in the half part of the day, mixing and mastering on the other half.Assuming that you have enough energy and musical inspiration to write songs with individual vibe , not copy paste everything, doing this for 30 days, no weekends, no pauses. 3 months tops till Looney bin.Period.

Hi Soundtrickz,

got it. And agree. So what would be your max. upload limit then? Max. 10 tracks a month at the highest approval rate?

Would be fine for me, what about others?

Cheers, Andy

I think authors should be concerned with producing a portfolio of the highest quality rather than how many uploads is possible per month. Let us all raise the quality bar to quash other marketplaces rather than wallow in an average audio platform. My 2 cents worth.

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Totally agree here gballx! That is our job, our duty and hopefully our passion, too!

In order to make this valuable for Envato Team: How does this correlate with bare numbers? Any suggestions for them?

Andy

I would have 5 per month for everyone with a really tough review process to really tackle the quality bar. Again my 2 cents worth.

This will only lead to the situation when second and third accounts will start working again. Approval range gradation is good for motivation for rising quality.
But ranging that was applied in 1 December - it’s just ridiculous. It’s situation “too much” or “nothing”. 30 tracks per month it’s really too much if you want to rise total quality. And 2 track per month mean that you will get nothing until you fix your approval rate and it much better to do some old fashion stock tracks rather then try something new.
And if there is some middle step between all or nothing you will be able to experiment and it won’t ruin your work for couple month.
Is there any logic explanation why there is only 2 steps in this approval ratio ranking?

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Word!

I believe 10 tracks will be fair and doable. As @gballx said, i’d be more inclined to raise the quality standard instead of number of junk tracks.I know this is a sensitive subject., but i could not see the other RF market competitors advertising lately.They got agressive marketing campaign! The quality is way above media. Dedicated stem mixing engineers for all uploaded tracks.Is really hard to fight against that kind of organized market! In order to be able to sell anything here on AJ we really need to improve the repertoire quality overall.At this moment, the only thing that keeping customers is the 5 underpriced media! My , 0.001 c