Serious Copyright Violation

Yeah, that’s more clear cut. Logo animation template for $15, customisation including template for $5? There’s no multi use license on AE projects so the only way they can legally sell them is if they’re happy to pay $10 to do the work. There may be some really advanced sadists out there like that, but I think it’s very, very rare.

I’ve reported a good few of those.

totally correct, that is one of the cases where it becomes obvious by the price alone that the persons in question doesn’t buy a new license every time. That is why I remove all my logos once a month from that site.

My experience shows that they don’t even buy one license.

That website is to avoid, almost only illegal stuff there…

The guy who is selling our templates (or the customization) is finally found and blocked by Envato staff.

Here is the feedback i got:

The reason the following account was disabled was due to redistribution of purchased files.

You might find that it’s much quicker and effective when you take action yourself. You probably know that you maintain all your copyright to your files even though these are being sold on our marketplaces. As the copyright owner you can take action as soon as you see any of your files being distributed without your permission.

We have created some resources that can help you with the steps you can take. Please find these via the following links:

We take copyright infringement very seriously at Envato and we look into all the matters that are reported to us.

Sounds great, huh? :smile:

Just in case anybody is thinking of setting up a similar service for videos, as many people already have done… you have my permission to use any of my After Effects templates if providing a customisations service. I only have two After Effects templates, and they’re not all that good really, but still. Knock yourself out!

I give you permission to rename my items, make no mention of them coming from VideoHive and please feel free to charge whatever you want. Whether it be $50, $100 or $1000. All I ask is that you buy a single use license every time a customer buys something from you that you make using my template. No need to buy an extended license unless your customer will be earning money from people viewing the resulting video.

Of course, You don’t need any of this permission, as it’s expressly allowed within the license agreements, but still… just to be on the safe side. Then, if anybody emails you in a blind panic that you’re breaking the rules, or ripping people off, or being deceptive as they don’t fully understand the VideoHive licensing agreement… you can have this post stored somewhere and then just send it over to them. Thanks!

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oh mi gosh!!! thanks. saved!!!

It’s a joke, if Envato really did this. I have my doubt.
Anyway: Our purchasing department is instructed not to do stock item purchases on Envato til this is clarified.

I’ve sent the guy a message. Thought he might have been feeling a bit stressed, all the emails based on incorrect assumptions and the like. You can see it on the other thread.

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Hi everyone,

I´m the guy of the web service and I think I must clarify something out here. It´s a long post but perhaps I can help to open many minds out there and finally to help.

First of all, I would like to say thank you to all authors that share my vision and that has defended my idea. Thank you!

For all that people that fights against my web service, I will write you as a friend. I understand your position as designer: For you, it seems there is a guy out there that is enriching himself on top of your designs. But I´m a freelancer, not a designer and thats a huge difference. In my opinion I´m here for customer customizations and what I´ve did is just to innovate the way a freelancer should did this. I also think that a designer should concentrate on the design. Perhaps that´s why Envato exist in most of the cases and you will create better end products. Because of Envato, designers has the possibility to sell their design in a scalable way. Did you think that Themeforest authors do all the websites for end customers and buyers of their themes/templates? I don´t think so, they are concentrating to create the best theme/template… no time to do end customer work, unless they have a plan to handle those requests. And that´s why so many freelancers, freelancer portals and agencies exist out there. Your absolute end customers are heavily addicted to freelancers and thats why I´m here with my service! My vision is to help people that needs a customization on top of a design and following to increase a regular license sell on Envato. At the end it´s a win-win-win-win situation: Envato get paid. You get paid. I get paid. Customers are happy. Whats wrong with this?

And yes, my solution is build around the eco system of Envato. Perhaps, because I don´t has really a chance to sell more from your regular licenses in another way. Most of you authors are exclusive Envato authors. It´s your free decision to design for Envato and to use their eco system or to build an own web service. Envato is out there to give you a selling platform with many customers. Thats your advantage. But if you think you can do it better on your own… you can do it. But I think thats not a good choice for you. At the end, I´m here to increase your sells. It shouldn´t really matter how I do this, as long as I buy your licenses. And I buy licenses, I should damned if I don´t do this.

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I will give you some facts of my service, because there are many aspersions out there:

  • I sell a service, not your template, original file or your product as it is. My customer will get just a finished JPG file, no Photoshop file! Customer must come back and order again if he would like more. Chance is high you will get one more license sell via my service. Good for you, Envato and me. Maybe it relates not really much to flyers, but perhaps other product types in the future. On the other side: If customer is buying the original file via Envato, he can do as many end products he like as long as he doing it by self.

  • I always buy one license if a customer would like to have a customization. I don´t risk my complete business because of 6$ - 8$! Which guy would do this if he sell a service with a good price? I´m happy to pay, because I will provide you as Envato designer. You help me with your design, I help you with my web service. It also doesn´t matter if the customer would like to have a flyer, poster or Facebook title image. I always buy one license. If I have bought a design from a bundle, I will buy the single version of your design for each customization I do.

  • Extended license is not needed. No one must pay to look on your design. Sounds stupid, but thats it. Perhaps there are better descriptions out there.

  • I don´t sell stock materials. They can´t download your product as it is! At the end, they only see a preview of a design they can get customized if they are interested. My web service is just a simplification around the communication with a customer. How will do it a freelancer in a traditional way? They will get a request to make a flyer. They go to Envato, buys one design (regular license) of you and makes a customization of it. Perhaps the customer don´t like the design? So it´s the problem of the freelancer, perhaps they must buy another one or they must do hard work to fit customer needs. The freelancer can´t say to the customer they should go to Envato to choose a design. Firstly the freelancer must explain oneself why the customer must pay much more as your template design costs and secondly the customer is absolutely lost in the Envato store. To much other designs with different style and so on. This is neither Envato´s focus to make a specialized niche market. Also there is no optimized way to buy and sell correctly in this situation. If customer buys a template for customization, the freelancer should also have to buy a license for customization. I don´t think that this will happen in most times. So I do it correctly. I buy one license as freelancer to show what a customer can get from me and one license for the customer to make a customization.

  • I always buy one license to make an design preview on my website. If someone is buying your design, they have the right to put it on a own website, to print it and to use it for advertising on social networks. Think of event organizers that archive your designs about past events in the internet.

  • I don´t really understand why so much people are angry about my changes that I have made to the design before I put it on my web service. I understand it in point of view of a designer, but what did you think other people do with your designs? They change it the way they like it! For example a music club owner (if he can do the customization by self): He change text, perhaps change color and put it with another name on their music club website. Did you also fight against all night clubs out there? I provide variations, because not every one like the color red, yellow or pink. Chances are high to find more customers and sell more regular licenses for you. I do work on top of your designs. That´s good for you, me and the customer. Oh, and Envato.

  • The possibility of online payment is only there to carry a guarantee to get payed for my freelance job. If someone do a freelance job via the traditional way they also must get payed! They do it the traditional way: non-public and heavy-handed. But at the end it´s the same. We both get payed for our job. It should doesn´t matter how this happens.

  • My service fit´s to the standard license on Envato. Please read with care the details: http://graphicriver.net/licenses/standard?license=regular Here you will read: On-demand products/services - One license per each customized end product. Thats all what I do. I also don´t use it in an end product thats sold. For example, I don´t print your flyer design on a bag and this bag get sold many times. I use it in a single end product, the end result for the customer that don´t sells your product. It´s also not a stock item, you don´t find your design customized selling on Envato via my Envato account. At the end it´s just a service that I sell, with a preview on my website what customer can get from me.

  • My service is really new. I don´t have sold any customization since yet. Because it´s very new, not many people knows about this service. I´m also more in a phase of improvements then on advertising. I must do advertising to promote my web service. You will benefit about my advertising, because it will end in a buy of a regular license.

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You know all facts now. Please give me now the chance to ask some important questions:

  • What did you think your most customers on Envato are? Freelancer or end customers like music club owners / event organizers?

  • What did you really think freelancers are doing with your work? Please think one step forward, what did you think music club owners do to get a customization?

  • Did you think you have only freelancer and music club owners as customer? Think about other designers that buy your designs to just look how you did this or that trick. My service don´t have this danger. But at this point I think that this kind of manner is good for the design industry (in any way). This is some way new design innovations grows.

  • Why are you an author at the Envato marketplace? To sell your designs or to go famous as a „Designer“?

  • A freelancer buys one license to make a customization of your design and I buy one license to make a customization for a customer. What´s the difference, please explain? At the end, all freelancers do the same.

  • You also have the chance to start an own web service. Why did you don´t do this? Because you need Envato and the eco system around them?

  • Why did you don´t fight against all the freelancer portals out there? They do all the same, just in a more un-public way. But it´s the same. Much more, I think they do freelance work with just 1 license. They should have two licenses, one for the freelancer and one for the customer.

  • I´m a customer of your designs and I pay for every design, perhaps more as one time for one design you provide. Thats a big difference to a customer that only buy your design one time. Did you really think thats a disadvantage for you?

  • I´m here to increase your sells on a legal Envato basis. Sell designs, is this not the reason why your are here on Envato?

  • I sell my service for around 80$ (just flyer). Did you really think this will only pay my working hours? Think about advertising, web hosting, credit card fees, social invest time, buffer to make % offers, buy software, sales tax, pay for office rent, and so on.

  • If I broken down my web service, I´m just a freelancer with an innovated way to communicate with my customer. Why did you sill think I don´t have the right to exist?

  • As a end question, did you really can´t see all your advantages you will get with such a service like mine? Please think one step forward what it can be for you in the future.

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I have spend hours to explain you my service and had many sleepless nights. I hope you can now think a little bit out of the box. We are all living in a global market. Long gone are the ways of a traditional designer. Today you are selling in a scalable way (Envato) and I think you should be thankful about all services that will provide this. Fight for your rights, but please do it with care. You should know who is your friend and who not.

I have created this service for months, also for end customers and Envato authors. My web service fit´s to the Envato rights, many people has confirmed that point in this posting. If you don´t think that I have the right to exist, please explain me in facts and more substance. My account is locked with around 200$ on it. I´ve got not a single word why it was locked. I think I have the right why it was locked.

To all authors that think my service provides you, thanks again! I hope we can take effect all both together to give good ideas more chance. There should be more people like you out there.

I´m from Germany and not an english expert, hope you all understand my point of view,
Sascha

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@sascharahn seriously, why did you spent time to write this long posts. I’m sure that it should be enough to list the facts.

  • The service I operate is new and I don’t have a single order yet
  • I plan to buy licenses for each order I get
  • I bought licenses for the examples I listed on my website.

Your service is just OK as long as you buy licenses for the orders you receive.

All the authors, please read the TOS. If you don’t like it, build your own marketplace and sell your work from there.

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You tell 'em!

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Taking the time to write this long post so that even the last author who doesn’t understand the license terms gets it, really speaks for itself.

I wish you much success with your website.

Grüße,
Tobi

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Did you contact the support team and asked them why?

P.S: this is my first reply but I’ve been following this thread since it was created

@sascharahn

Sascha,

It seems that you have had your account unfairly locked, and that the support team hasn’t taken the time to read the thread properly or understand the issue here. I will get someone from staff to look into this right away.

-felt.

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@canoode Thanks for your comment and to pointing out my most important parts.

I think it was necessary, because so many posts before the authors was still thinking I do something wrong… in base of Envato terms and business!
Also because of Envato. My account is still locked without feedback.

@creattive pointed it out, one post to clarify all. Thanks for your wishes and greetings to Munich :slight_smile: Hehe, just a food step away from me.

Thanks so much @felt_tips !

@OsamaSayegh Yes I´ve contacted the support, 19. September 11:30 PM (German time). Perhaps of weekend no feedback since yet. So it´s ok, as long as I get feedback.

@sascharahn

No worries. Can you message me and let me know your account name - the one that got locked? Might need that info if it’s to get unlocked! :smile:

@felt_tips sended to you. Thanks again.

Im completely open minded for new business models within the allowed rules from Envato.
I really like the idea to spread possibilities to sell more, because we all want to earn money.

@sascharahn I know you want earn money, but maybe it’s better to make it more transparent where are the files from.
Tell the customers that you work with authors from Envato etc.

Don’t get me wrong, the Envato support told me this practice is not permitted (due to redistribution).

Im happy too, as long if you or the client buy a license for every sold item.
Hope an official statement from Envato makes all clear :+1:

Happy selling :slight_smile:

There’s no redistribution though, he’s selling flattened images and not providing the source files.

@sascharahn As I said to the phone when i contacted you, I am sorry, I freaked out because I saw renames, no links, separated bundles and no contact mails in my inbox. As an inexperienced author, inside my poor mind I thought that this is violating the rules. That’s the reason I called you on the phone, we disagreed, because of my ignorance and I immediately made this topic so I can understand what is going on, and what I am missing.

As I said above, you seemed like an honest person, and I am truly feeling bad for all the mess. Again, I am very sorry for all this trouble I caused you. Let me know if you need anything free of charge. I would be more than happy to assist.

Sincerely
B.