[VideoHive] Envato Review Times

Wierd. A friend of mine got his vids accepted after 1 month.

I got 1 month in querry also… hoping after new year they gonna move faster.

It was 55 days… now is at 90 days :smiley: But still, seems like they are heading in the right direction, well, at least with the review time and not with the crazy rejections :smiley:

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Is it really 2 days for AE templates?

Yes

AE, MG, C4D, Add-Ons, and Apple Motion are all currently averaging 2 days.

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Too bad I don’t have motivation, creativity, inspiration or anything good to make an AE template :slight_smile:

p.s. Anyone else having similar issues? I’m dried out, any tips? :blush:

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You probably had some new ideas while working for past projects but all those may not come to memory when needed. I usually get unrelated new ideas, plans while working. Those times I write those in notepad as a to-do list. It will be useful in blank dried out times. In reality you may never complete your to-do list :slight_smile:

The question is no longer relevant :blush:

ENVATO has their Business Model all WRONG… They are Applying the HIGHEST possible STANDARDS to every single Item of Stock Footage, and thus 90% of all Submissions are being REJECTED for no good Reason. The IDIOTIC thinking by their management is that if the Stock Footage Items are of the HIGHEST POSSIBLE QUALITY then there will be fewer Returns and customer complaints… The down side being, they severely piss off their Content Creators who eventually get Fed up spending their Time and Resources Creating the footage… Why would anyone bother spending weeks of their time to produce 100 Clips of Stock Footage when 90 of them are going to be REJECTED ??? No one can make this a FULL TIME PROFITABLE VENTURE if that’s the rate of Rejection. You may as well start a YouTube Channel and focus on getting 1 Million Views… You would get $3300 per 1 Million views… on a video you can spend a few days creating… However there is a better way, ENVATO should accept 90% of all Clips and Reject the 10% Worst… and Then RATE and PRICE these clips accordingly. If some Clips are HIGH QUALITY (no Noise, no Shake, Good Exposure, and a 'Wanted Item") - then charge MORE for them. Let the Buyer be AWARE and let them purchase accordingly. I have purchased many Stock Footage Clips that have been less than perfect, but I used them anyway… Most people do this too… Most people are not looking for FILM GRADE or TV COMMERCIAL Grade Footage… and if they are they should shop on dissolve.com or some other HIGH END STOCK FOOTAGE site, not on ENVATO which sells clips on average for $8 a clip… ENVATO is being stupid and someone sooner or later will embrace this business Model that I speak of and then ENVATO will be TOAST… (just saying). :wink:

Well VideoHive has been going for nearly nine years, and they’re not toast yet. No noise, no shake, good exposure, and a ‘wanted item’ should be the minimum standard… those things shouldn’t make it a premium item that you charge more for, unless it’s very unique.

As for the 90% of all clips rejected… they don’t publish the approval/rejection splits, so how do you know this? If you’re just going by your personal experience, then that’s in no way a reflection on Envato’s business model. Some people might have 100% of their work rejected. Some people might have 100% of their work approved. For most people, the rate will lie somewhere between those two figures… and they need to decide whether it’s a profitable venture to keep submitting here.

There’s 425,000 stock footage items. If they are accepting 10% of stuff, and instead accepted 90% of stuff, then there would be 3,825,000 items. Looks good on the promo materials, but there’s a reason these items have been rejected, so I can’t see these extra millions of clips being welcomed by buyers. They’re going to have to wade through a lot more stuff to get to what they want. Envato want items that sell and they don’t want items that don’t.

Can you imagine? “Hi, we’ve now got over 3m more clips that all contain a bit of noise, shake or bad expose… and the decent quality items you were happy to buy previously, we’re now charging more for them!”

It’s unlikely to go down well with the buyers. And there’s no mention of buyers in your post… it’s a buyers market, so Envato have to take what they want in to consideration, balanced with the needs of authors and themselves. After nine years, I’d like to think they have enough data, feedback and experience to have a reasonable grasp on what works and what doesn’t… more so than any individual. I mean, how do you want VideoHive to be known:

A) It’s like the other stock sites, but cheaper!
B) It’s like the other stock sites, but cheaper… and 90% of the stuff isn’t very good!

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***Well VideoHive has been going for nearly nine years, and they’re not toast yet. ***
LMFAO! Well whip out the Champagne and lets all start patting each other on the backs and start stroking each other off… Woo Hoo! 9 years… What an Enduring Milestone! The next 100 years are all set now that they reached the decade mark (almost).

*** No noise, no shake, good exposure, and a ‘wanted item’ should be the minimum standard…***
Err, no actually… Not everyone is looking for FILM GRADE or TVC Grade footage… Most are youtubers looking for the right shot. Noise and Shake are sometimes part of a Shot… and since ENVATO is so SUPER DOOPER Helpful in telling you why your clip was Rejected (Sarcasm) then it sure helps Creators to do a better job the next time. (NOT)

*** Can you imagine? “Hi, we’ve now got over 3m more clips that all contain a bit of noise, shake or bad expose… and the decent quality items you were happy to buy previously, we’re now charging more for them!”***

Wow! Yeah… Imagine that… CHOICES??? If only Amazon.com and Ebay and alibaba followed your constrictive business Logic… They might be Billion Dollar Companies…!?
Oh wait, they didn’t follow that logic…and yet they are!? (and ENVATO is not) How can that be? You’re so SMUG and BUMPTIOUS… and clearly an Online INTERNET GENIUS…? I guess SOCIALISM and ‘thinking Small’ is ingrained in some people’s DNA… LOL! Why have the Option to search 10,000 Clips in one category with a well developed and robust search engine that organizes clips by date published, price, quality, sales, etc, when you can just buy one of the 10-30 overused/oversold clips that Envato says you should buy… Lets keep the circle small… right? I’m sure the Customers will Just Love you for it!

B) It’s like the other stock sites, but cheaper… and 90% of the stuff isn’t very good!
Ofcourse! Why let the Free Market Decide when you can DECIDE for them! I mean Someone takes some footage of an important event, or a once in a lifetime moment like a Flood, a Comet, a Ship wreck, or whatever… but they didn’t use a Tripod, or the Signal to Noise Ratio was too high… No One would ever want to buy that sort of clip unless it was ABSOLUTELY PERFECT…right? LOL! Good luck with your small thinking…

Well nine years is a pretty long time when it comes to stock sites. It’s not like we’re talking about food companies that have been around 100 years or clothing companies that have been around for 50.

Floods, comets, ship wrecks… that’s why I included the “unless it’s very unique” disclaimer. You get the only shot of some massive event and nobody is going to care if it’s SD and looks pretty terrible. But if you’d like to post your shots of comets and shipwrecks here, then people can take a look and give you some feedback.

Not everyone is looking for FILM GRADE or TVC Grade footage… Most are youtubers looking for the right shot.

A valid point, but if only film grade footage is available for $8 then I’m sure they’ll happily take it. And if Envato start selling film grade footage and poor quality footage for $8… people are just going to buy the film grade footage if it’s the same price. Why wouldn’t you? The exception is if there’s nothing available, like you say, they’re looking for ‘the right shot’… but that’s an issue with variety in the marketplace. It’s not really related to accepting low quality footage. If the clips you had rejected were 100% unique with nothing comparable already on the site… then that would probably tip the balance in your favour if the quality is borderline.

The reason that Envato isn’t a billion dollar company is that there isn’t the market for a billion dollar stock company. Even SS and iS don’t make that much more than Envato. Combine every stock site together and you’re getting into the billions category. The reason that Amazon makes so much more isn’t that they accept everything (which they don’t… I’m sure they still reject sellers and/or products) is because the market is so much bigger. The amount of people who need stock footage pales into comparison when it comes to the amount of people who need laptops, mobile phones, books, toilet rolls, DVDs and Lego sets.

But surely you can’t be naive enough to think that accepting a load of poor quality footage is going to send Envato’s revenues through the roof? That doing so will move them from a multi-million dollar company to a multi-billion dollar company? I don’t think people have been put off from buying at VideoHive because of their lack of poor quality shots. (Once again, don’t confuse a lack of variety with quality standards)

If shooting quality, commercially viable footage is not your speciality, then that’s fine… there’s room enough in the world for every type of footage. But when it comes to VideoHive, they’re looking for quality shots that have commercial appeal. It might be easier to alter your output to fit the marketplace, rather than altering the marketplace to suit you.

and clearly an Online INTERNET GENIUS…?

This is correct. Thank you for recognising that, it means a lot.

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*** Well nine years is a pretty long time when it comes to stock sites.***

LOL! Well which is it? First you’re claiming its a long time (so therefore nothing to worry), now you’re not? Make up your mind there, Slappy…

*** But if you’d like to post your shots of comets and shipwrecks here, then people can take a look and give you some feedback. ***

Once again you’re missing the “Forest for the Trees”, as in, you’re missing the point… I guess that’s what comes from being a LOYAL DOGGIE for ENVATO… You’re too busy reflexively BARKING in response to everything I said without actually parsing the content of it. I had a sneaking suspicion that you would pounce on the individual anecdotal examples without actually looking at the overall situation, so well done, you took the bait :wink: Now here’s the situation - This is not about Comets or Floods or Shipwrecks… This is about Customer Choice. You’re under some Idiotic assumption that we’re operating in a Saturated Market (if you know nothing about Economics, quickly go Google it) and that the total number people buying Stock Footage will never increase more than what it already is… You are also under the equally Idiotic assumption that $8 is the universal Price Point for stock footage… Meaning to say that if a clip sold for less than $8 (like $4 or $2 or $1, etc) that this would not spur more sales or attract more customers… The problem with your ASSumptions is that they are patently wrong… plain and simple. Currently the biggest Country Market is the USA followed up by some countries in Western Europe… Because for them, $8 is not a lot (that’s their Price Point). But if you take rapidly growing markets like Eastern Europe/Russia and Asia, there are huge potential upsides for Stock footage sales,…but only at a lower price. If there were a tier of Stock footage clips for sale at a much lower Price Point of lets say $4 or whatever, you’d see an exponential rise in sales from those emerging markets.

FACT: The internet/E-commerce is still growing.
FACT: The number of people creating videos is still growing.
FACT: The market for Stock Footage is nowhere near saturated.

Example: China has a Middle Class demographic (400 Million) that is LARGER than the entire USA’s population… What happens when they start going into Video Production? Ever thought about that? Or India which is following closely behind The average Chinaman won’t be as rich as the average American or European, but they certainly will have money to spend. Just not as much per person, but there’s 5 times more of them. So if there are lower prices for Stock Footage, then you’re talking about a much Bigger Market than the USA… the difference will be made up with volume sales. Let me know if any of these Laws of Basic Supply-Side Economics are sinking in…?

*** The reason that Envato isn’t a billion dollar company is that there isn’t the market for a billion dollar stock company.***

Wow! That comment ranks up there with Bill Gate’s infamous quote: “Nobody needs more than 640K of RAM”… LOL!

*** people are just going to buy the film grade footage if it’s the same price ***

Errr? because its not the shot they are looking for? Once again… You’re sitting their patting yourself on the back, thinking that having 10-30 clips of a certain type of footage is good enough for everyone… How utterly naive and short sighted.

*** This is correct. Thank you for recognising that, it means a lot. ***

That’s right Internet Genius… There’s planned obsoletion, and then there’s just good old fashioned unforeseen Obsoletion. I’m sure an astute mind like yours will be part of the latter. :wink:

I asked you twice to take into account that variety and quality are two very different things, but you’ve still ignored it. If you want to promote the idea that Envato should have a bigger, wider variety of content to meet the needs of video producers, then you’ll get no argument from me. But if you’re producing work that isn’t good enough to get approved, whatever the content, then you’re just looking for someone or something to blame. Don’t confuse that with them not wanting more or more varied content.

I never said that that the universal price point is $8, or should be $8. If Envato constitutes the entire universe then yes, $8 is the current universal price point. If you include all stock sites in this universe then there’s a range of prices, with the average being considerably higher than $8. But in the coming months, VideoHive will implement author driven pricing, so if people want to sell their clips for as low as $2, then they’re welcome to do so. And if they want to sell them for $200, then they can do that too.

I also never said that there was no room for growth in the stock footage market. Even with population growth, you’re going to have more customers over time. Combine that with the growth of online video and it’s bound to go up. I’m merely saying that you’re not going to double sales overnight if you have millions of poor quality clips. Quality aside… if you have $4 clips instead of $8, then people are likely to just buy one $4 clip or they might buy two $4 clips. The only way it will drive a massive increase in sales is if you have people who have never bought here because they can’t afford it. And if they can’t afford to spend $8 on stock footage at least once in their life… are these $4 people really going to increase revenue by millions or billion of dollars.

*** Well nine years is a pretty long time when it comes to stock sites.***

LOL! Well which is it? First you’re claiming its a long time (so therefore nothing to worry), now you’re not? Make up your mind there, Slappy…

Well if you read it again, you’ll see that in both instances I said nine years was a long time. The first time I stated nine years is a long time, the second time I stated nine years is a long time for a stock site. I’m pretty sure neither of those would cause any reasonable person to think that I’m saying that nine years isn’t a long time.

But still. I wouldn’t worry about it too much. I’m sure there’s plenty of sites out there with less stringent standards who will be happy to accept your work. It’s obvious you don’t want to change or improve, and who are we to argue. But as long as you understand that stock sites are unlikely to change for you either… then that’s all good. Maybe you could start your won stock site with prices ranging from $1 to $8? I mean if Envato’s business model is all wrong, and your $1 to $8 accept anything site is the correct business model… then it should do pretty well.

Or just make Youtube videos. If it only takes a few days to create a video that will earn you $3300 from a million views… why are you even wasting your time on VideoHive?!

any answer ??? What’s the current AE queue times?

http://quality.market.envato.com/videohive

150 days and my footage hasn’t even been looked at…sooooo?

29 hours for After Effects template now

1 day for AfterEffects template :slight_smile: