Song just rejected - What do you think needs to improve?

HI,

I would love to get some constructive feedback on this track that just got rejected :frowning:

https://app.box.com/s/4lo1cz8htbx589u2l0o0ciaegoemhgx7

All the best,
Carl

Hey,

I like your track a lot, was it a soft reject?

Personally I think your main/some of acoustic guitar sounds are just a little too bright and aggressive and upfront in the mix.

I would try to smoothen them out a little, I think you might be using the Kontact Guitar Strum or something similar for some of the guitar sounds.

Here’s how I would try to do that. (I ofter find that sometimes there isn’t one answer so this is just my take on things, and hopefully other people will chime in too with some other ways to help?.

Maybe EQ the highs down a little, or
Maybe pull back the transients with transient master or something similar or
Maybe use a bit of reverb to pull the guitar sounds back into the mix as opposed to being so upfront.
Maybe some sounds need level balancing / turning down.
Maybe it’s a mix of all of the above.

I hope this helps in some way but good luck with it.

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Agree with @OceansAudio
I think you did a very good job…
I would add some sustain in your guitar… it’s nice!!
Ah! once I got rejected a track with same “cajon” percussion… O_o… maybe curators don’t like cajon?? or it was just my non-fit-commercial track?
humm a little bit abrupt final. but I’m not sure it’s a problem here… :open_mouth:
Good luck! :slight_smile:

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Thanks!

I wanted it to be really bright and upfront, since I made the opposite mistake with too little brightness before… :slightly_smiling_face:

Ill have a look at the transients via my compressors.

Well spotted re Kontakt. I thought it was well hidden in there… Not good that it is that obvoius however. Should I replace it with a miced guitar?

It doesnt say soft rejected, so I guess its hard. Doesnt live up to quality standards…

Did you have a hard rejected song and what did you do with it? Scrap it, change it, other library or other?

Thanks again!
Carl

Thanks!

I also like Cajon because I think it gives a good indie hipster vibe.

With sustain, do you mean reverb, compression or something else.

What do you do with tracks that get rejected because of quality level? Feels like a waste of time to throw them away?

Cheers,
Carl

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Hey,

No problems.

I guess it’s tough because we don’t know the real reason why it was rejected and say you made the changes based on the suggestions I made it might still get rejected.

With the brightness, if your last one wasn’t bright enough and this one is possibly too bright in my opinion, maybe find somewhere in the middle, if you want?

Also, something you could do is open a new project file drop in the .Wav or .mp3 of your file and also download a preview of a similar song on AJ. Then open a frequency analyser on both and see how your top end compares with other tracks.

But, again this might not be the issue the person who rejected your track had so, I hear what your saying, sometimes I make mixing/writing decisions based on what I really want and thats perfectly ok and what you absolutely should do as it is your art at the end of the day.

I hope that helps!

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Also Re the Kontakt thing, You hear this in lots of tracks including mine, people who buy the track won’t necessarily know or care so I guess in that sense it doesn’t really matter because what’s important is that the song fits their project and works for them. It might just come down to a conscience thing for you, if it bothers you then change it, if not then…

As a comparison If you think about say house music I can hear along with everyone else in the world an 808 or 707 drum machine a mile away but if it sounds good it sounds good? (i’m not sure if this is a good comparison or not to be honest)

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Finally, with the what should you do with the song now it’s hard rejected. My advice would be try to learn from it, improve, move forward. :slight_smile: – If you can learn from this then all is good!!

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I don’t believe in “quality level”… well… it’s obvious we all are not perfect and sometimes I do some :poop:… but mostly I think it’s about “fits” or don’t “fits”…
Maybe your track don’t fits here but fits well in other places :slight_smile:

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V true.

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Hi,

I think I actually analyzed the crap out of this one and also with the latest Ozone 8 Advanced software, but I still agree with you that it’s on the bright side.

As you say I don’t know exactly why it was rejected. Getting rejected is maybe good training in itself :slight_smile:

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You have well trained ears. I hope Ill get there.

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Thanks! I need the encouragement since I just decided to quit my well paid executive job to spend my days dedicated to music instead :sweat_smile:

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Good choice and good luck!!!

Hi, currently I am on my laptop and have nothing else to listen… and can’t turn the volume up as everyone is sleeping. I gave your track its chance, and… I hear two guitars, they sound a bit too mechanical, but the main problem would be that I barely hear the harmony behind the main melody; I have the feeling a bass would be needed, but it is another guitar that makes the bass.

To me, on my poor listening system, the problem would be that the guitar that plays this background arpeggio is way way too loud, it is louder than everything else. So if I don’t pay attention, and am listening in a noisy environment, or at low volume on a bad system, the only thing I hear is this guitar arpeggio…

I’ll really have to listen to it tomorrow on another system, as I know this is a stupid test I made, but listening at low volume and on sh*tty speakers can reveal problems on a mix :slight_smile:

Now, for the hard rejections, I don’t know how other handle this, but they clearly say that you should not resubmit the track… I am wondering why they would hard reject if the problem is only the mix…?

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Agree with you @frozenjazz maybe with a lower arpeggio could improve the final mix… :slight_smile:
He cannot resubmit the track but can do something similar with a different harmonic progression, and this time taking attention to this topic as you said before… it could be a nice training … Here is plenty of similar tracks with different versions and sounds,

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Listening this morning with my studio headphones - well, it sounds better, but the problem is the same: lack of bass (it could be a piano, or a real bass), the arpeggio guitar is too loud, and the piano is too quiet, and lacks some reverb or ambiance…

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@OceansAudio, @MusicLFiles, @frozenjazz,

Thanks to you all for being so helpful! I will get right back to this track and change it around based on all your feedback. I think it’s important to deal with the issues in a song before moving on, so you really learn for your next projects. Then I’ll see what I will do with it.

All the best,
Carl

HI,

  1. The entry that you used at the beginning of the track requires that this instrument be played several times in the track.
  2. All the instruments sound in the foreground. It is necessary to use the equalizer to separate the main instruments from the secondary ones. Use secondary instruments to pick up the upper frequencies.
  3. Spread more instruments on a stereo panorama.
  4. Add spatial processing.

I apologize for my English.

“The entry that you used at the beginning of the track requires that this instrument be played several times in the track.”

Excellent remark indeed… if you use this “reversed piano” that everyone else is using (me included :)), at least use the “non reversed” piano chord in your track :slight_smile: