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#1

Uplifting and Inspiring Corporate
Upbeat Energetic Uplifting Pop
Inspiring
Energetic Indie Rock
Upbeat Corporate Uplifting Motivational
Thoughtful Corporate
Upbeat Corporate Uplifting Inspiration
Energetic Upbeat Indie Rock
Upbeat Acoustic Uplifting Inspiring
Fun & Quirky Upbeat Retro
Motivating Future
Stylish Powerful Indie Rock
Inspiring and Uplifting Acoustic Corporate
Epic Motivational
Emotional Inspiring Piano & Strings
Upbeat
Hip-Hop
Upbeat Corporate Technology
Inspiration
Emotional Inspiring Piano & Strings
Upbeat
Rock The Party
Uplifting Motivational Upbeat Inspiration
Inspiration
Upbeat & Inspiring Uplifting Corporate
Inspiring
Corporate Inspiration Background Uplifting Ambient
Minimal
Fun
Epic Cinematic Adventure
Inspiring Cinematic Trailer
A Happy
Percussion
Corporate Motivational Inspiring Upbeat & Uplifting
Inspiring Cinematic Trailer
Upbeat Corporate Motivational Uplifting & Inspiring
Motivational Acoustic Upbeat Indie & Uplifting
Soft Motivational Ambient
Inspiring Storytelling
Inspiring Upbeat Corporate
Stomp
Energy Rock Sport
Corporate Inspiring Upbeat Uplifting
Aggressive Sport Electro
Ambient Piano
In the Moment of Inspiration
Upbeat
Inspiring and Uplifting Cinematic Trailer
Inspiring Piano
The Dubstep
Upbeat Fashion Corporate
Inspiring Upbeat Corporate
Epic


Song Name Length - becoming too excessive?
#2

Cool title - should do well in the search.


#3

Yes it is too too depressing way of naming songs but at the end of the day it is not about art but kind of creative industry. Just my point of view


#4

The way of the internet world


#5

We are given freedom to name our songs as we want in a fun way and then we do the worst… Hey one moment there are really funny cool names https://audiojungle.net/item/porn-star-from-my-village/3331567?s_rank=1


#6

My track Vomitorium With Strings isn’t sell well. Neither is While My Goat Gently Weeps. :frowning:


#7

These are the titles of https://audiojungle.net/page/top_sellers

While single-word titles are sad too, I especially deplore the obvious acceptance of the “maxed out” keyword hogging behaviour that certain authors profit from.

Uplifting and Inspiring Corporate
Upbeat Energetic Uplifting Pop
Upbeat Corporate Uplifting Motivational
Upbeat Corporate Uplifting Inspiration
Energetic Upbeat Indie Rock
Upbeat Acoustic Uplifting Inspiring
Fun & Quirky Upbeat Retro
Stylish Powerful Indie Rock
Inspiring and Uplifting Acoustic Corporate
Emotional Inspiring Piano & Strings
Emotional Inspiring Piano & Strings
Uplifting Motivational Upbeat Inspiration
Upbeat & Inspiring Uplifting Corporate
Corporate Inspiration Background Uplifting Ambient
Corporate Motivational Inspiring Upbeat & Uplifting
Upbeat Corporate Motivational Uplifting & Inspiring
Motivational Acoustic Upbeat Indie & Uplifting
Corporate Inspiring Upbeat Uplifting
Inspiring and Uplifting Cinematic Trailer

In case you missed it, many of these keywords are treated in a special way in the search engine. A while ago, someone decided that the most popular keywords should be more or less sorted by “sales” even though “best match” was selected. I will have to guess this was a counter-measure to the adamant author behaviour of uploading heaps of copy-paste single-titled tracks which pushed down big sellers from search results and subsequently decreased total site conversion.

Well, I guess the conversion is better now, so no obvious need to change anything. Or? The problem is, once a track gets into the Popular Files jar, it’s only stupid not to grab all the cookies you can - RENAME the track and hog ALL the keywords you can. Since sales are already high, these tracks will now soar to the top page in ALL searches featuring the keyword. Try it for yourself!

We already had the “Dinosaur” scare-off. Well, if that was a Ridley Scott movie, then this is the follow-up “Dinosaurs” by James Cameron. More hot tracks killing everything in its way. The new normal.

So, I decided to try this myself!

I uploaded a track called “The Epic Happy Uplifting Future Business Motivation and Inspiring Technology Energetic Background”. Why not? The limit for the “Name” field is 100 characters. I had only 97!

Lo and behold, the track was soft rejected:

Unfortunately, your title doesn’t make sense, Please kindly change it to something that makes a little more sense in English.
A list of keywords/tags is not allowed!

Oh, snap!

I wonder what got me thinking using keyword lists as titles WAS allowed… oh wait, I know, the Popular Files!

Sad!


#8

Looks like the sweet spot is 5 keywords. You pushed it too far. Even “cheaters” have to follow some rules.


#9

No one’s cheating. It’s allowed, and what’s more, it’s paying off, that’s why it’s sad!


#10

It’s the real world that we face today. If you named it so “artistic”, it’s hard to be found when my friend typed “Upbeat corporate” when he need the music for his video. I tried some “normal” name. But no competition here.
I feel sad here too. Sometime i love to name it like " Beautiful Sunset" or " In the galaxy"…But no one typed them…So i’ve back to name as “standard name” in Audio Jungle. :smiley:


#11

I guess the fundamental point Stockwaves is making is that if you are fortunate enough to have tracks that already have lots of sales then changing the titles to contain multiple popular search terms is a good tactic to ensure they always come high up in the SE results.

If so it occurs to me that, conversely, if you are uploading a new track using these popular search terms in the title might not help at all because you will be squeezed out of the default SE results by all the renamed tracks that already have lots of sales!


#12

Another endless source of frustration (for me at least) are the inherent inconsistencies that seem to be built into the search engine by design.

Got a one word title? Great! You may stand a chance of appearing on the first page of results for a default Best Match search of that specific term - - - as long as it’s not a popular term like Corporate, Uplifting and so on; those top spots automatically go to the top sellers.

Got a two word title? Let’s say - “Uplifting Corporate.” Assuming someone searches for “Uplifting Corporate,” you now stand a chance of appearing the first page of results for a search of that specific two-word term.

But don’t put on your party hat just yet. If someone - for whatever reason - searches for “Corporate Uplifting,” you will be nowhere to be found. Because according to the “logic” (hard for me to type that without grimacing) behind the search engine, “Uplifting Corporate” and “Corporate Uplifting” are two completely separate entities which have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

The icing on the cake? Sort either of the two searches by Best Sellers - and say hello to top sellers once again - even if the search terms are not even remotely related to the track titles.

Let’s go back for a moment and revisit one-word titles, using as our example a fairly obscure search term like “Health.” AJ certainly has buyers who create videos promoting healthcare organizations, clinics, spas, healing and the like. And maybe just maybe they might choose to enter the word “Health” into the search field. (Right? Right? It could happen.)

Search for “Health”…and…Outstanding! We’re still on page 1…(along with other tracks selling in the low single digits.)

Now, let’s sort by Best Sellers. And…

We’ve disappeared…to be replaced by, once again, the very same top selling tracks we all know (and aspire to) - many of which have already been purchased thousands upon thousands of times.

How can this be? Do the tracks use the word “Health” in their titles?
No.

Perhaps it’s in the tags. Yes, that’s gotta be it!
Nope. No “Health” in the tags.

Oh, OK…forgot about the description…the word “Health” has to be in the description.
Bzzzz. Wrong again.

Does anyone have any sort of plausible explanation for … any of the above??


#13

Sad story. Not for me, gladly, but this applied to only one of my track, which luckily on top. But as for ALL my other tracks it’s not working for me, but against me. There is some logic in such fine tuning of search engine - as you may see, there some fresh files with good sales also mixed in this list for better exposure. With limited size of library it is logical to apply original names, but with zillions of almost similar tracks things get more complicated. May be you can suggest better naming scheme?


#14

Why just don’t remove titles from search engine at all? I think tags could work fine without this stupid titles like “uplifting upbeat indie inspirational epic motivational coprorate”. Maybe add some sorting functions for buyers, idk. But this… Now it’s getting ridiculuous


#15

I dont know. If you name your track “amazing journey into the abyss of Zoran” there will be no sales, if you name it “corporate upbeat” - no sales as well, since your track will be at page 3678 right after approval. Instead, there will be sales for “corporate upbeat” that already has couple of millions of sales and shows up at #1 in search.


#16

Not exactly.

“Corporate Upbeat” would actually place fairly high - for “Corporate Upbeat” as the search term. But for a “Corporate” or “Upbeat” search - or even “Upbeat Corporate” ? You’re right - “Corporate Upbeat” would go straight into the abyss of Envato.

Check out what I wrote above and then run a few test searches. But don’t expect the results to brighten your day.


#17

I feel sad too.
I’ve tried using custom and generic titles but, in the last year, the only ones that have decent amount of sales are the generic ones. So I can’t afford making a track and missing exposure. I still don’t understated the search engine and I am still experimenting with titles. smh :confused:


#18

Well, apart from my previous solutions (every other search line new item, search by tags/name/description selector, category split popular files) I actually came up with another idea right now.

Suggestion:

Picture this - every new item is awarded a number of “exposure points”. We can think of this as “views” or “visits” in our analytics graphs. Let’s say a regular new item starts with 100 exposure points.

Now - whenever there’s a new visitor on the item page, one exposure point is deducted. See where this is going? This way the search engine can use the “exposure point” variable in the algorithm. Whenever an item has got a lot of exposure, it should reasonably give way to newer, unseen items, and so it begins to slide down the search rank.

This won’t necessarily “solve” silly names, but it will control the extreme search exposure these silly named items get over time. How about it?

I’m actually thinking this variable already exists in the search algorithm, but they’ve weighted it the wrong way, so that items go “trending” or whatever and soar up the search rank when they simply have a lot of views/comments/sales. Bad idea! Better to give way to items that have good “sale to view ratio”.


#19

It’s an attractive idea but I fear you’d inevitably tempt people to ‘take out’ other authors’ tracks by viewing them lots of times! It’s hard to come up with a system that’s very responsive to the number of sales per view that’s not very vulnerable to people gaming the system.


#20

“The Epic Happy Uplifting Future Business Motivation and Inspiring Technology Energetic Background”. - I love that one! Great Title Stockwaves! Can I hear it?