First 4 tracks all killed. Was it because of their names?

Hello fellow authors. I am new here. After a lengthy career as a web designer I’ve decided to follow my “true calling” and pursue my love of music. Maybe a bad choice, but whatever (will do this before AI kills it too!) So I went gung-ho and learnt how to use these programs, VSTs, recording live etc. and started composing tracks for these here stock libraries.

So my first 3 uploads were rejected here. I didn’t know then but I know now that the titling of tracks has been an issue here for some time. I REALLY didn’t want to call my tracks something like “Corporate Inspirational blah blah” or some toss, I thought I’d be creative and try to capture people’s imaginations. Bad idea maybe? But how else am I supposed to get my work in front of visually creative people (i.e. video producers etc.)?

So, here are the songs that were rejected. Would appreciate if you help me clarify what I did wrong or what sounds off etc. New to this as I said, got tonnes to learn! Cheers for your good and bad ideas :slight_smile:

Corporate Virgin:
Football With Heads:
Stick the Overtime Assignment:
(Edit: 4th and final track also rejected: A Fine Day to Buy: - what a start!)

The third one I know is a little experimental, but is that really a reason to get rejected? I can see this sitting behind some video, I don’t see why not (I came up with the main theme while watching a clip from “The Office” to get in the vibe!)

Any tips or advice is welcome. Cheers.
(P.S. Maybe I should just make my own website! Whaddya reckon?)

Without getting into musical specifics regarding your tracks (I can only listen on my phone at the moment), I would have to assume that item names alone are not enough to prevent them from being accepted. That said, if you take a look at tracks that sell here in any significant number, you’ll see that there are very, very few that don’t follow the “standard” naming conventions, and there’s a very good reason for that: the Audiojungle search engine. For better or for worse, in order to be seen (and thus have a chance to sell), your tracks pretty much have to conform to the generic titling scheme. Are most authors happy with that status quo? Of course not, and there is no shortage of forum threads that address this issue. So - the real question is - why would you NOT adhere to the (admittedly restrictive and frustrating) standard titling method?

It seems so counter-intuitive to title your track the same thing as 10,000 other tracks… Even if I did, how would it be seen? Can I re-upload these with different names?

In the outside world, giving your item the same name as thousands of others is counter-intuitive; with regard to the Audiojungle search engine, however, it makes perfect sense. Go read some of the previous forum threads about the search engine and run some tests of your own; then you’ll begin to understand how it all works, and how you can use that knowledge to your advantage.

In general, hard-rejected tracks may only be uploaded again if they’ve undergone significant musical improvement, so a name change is not enough. Accepted tracks, however, can be renamed to maximize their search engine potential.

the problem is not the names (and you can rename your tracks anyway, once they are accepted).
I listen to your tracks, and well… I guess you should listen to more recent music here on the site, and you’ll see the difference. I would work on the choice of instruments (they sound a bit too “midi” / “robotic” to me), and on the overall mixing as well…

Gotta agree with @frozenjazz on this one. The tracks simply aren’t up to the quality standard to get accepted on AJ. It’s harder and harder every day. Everything from your composition, to instrument selection, to programming, to mixing and achieving a competitive loudness needs a lot of work.

But hey, you’re definitely better off than where I started! Play your cards right and you too can invest thousands of dollars, thousands of hours and make tens of dollars :smiley:

ahah… I totally relate here :smiley:

Thanks guys, got the picture. Modernize, follow the rules, up the
production game. But, “Football With Heads” is a different game right?

not sure what you mean about a different game? It’s probably not the greatest title, but I really think that is the least of your concerns.

Honestly that title is probably just great, would stand out in amongst the “Indie Sports Rock Upbeat Inspiring” crowd in the new releases list and might get some clicks.

Hi, I mean it’s a different style of music so maybe the production-related issues don’t apply here. I can understand why some might think the others sound dated or midi but not this one as it’s a rock track which I think sounds pretty good. So I’m not sure why it was rejected. But I’m glad you liked the title, and it is a shame that I would have to change it to something like “Indie Sport Rock Upbeat Inspiring” in order to get clicks:frowning:

Oh man, you guys are scaring me. I hope it’s not really that bad… Is it? :scream:

Don’t want to discourage you but the Envato statistics lists me currently at around 293th place regarding sales on AudioJungle, and there are way over 10,000 portfolios here, so the placing is pretty ok, and for me the monthly revenue is usually around 400 dollars or so.

So statistically I wouldn’t expect to hit a gold mine here. The royalty free stock music “game” is so insanely competitive that to really make it you need to bring your absolute best to the table and even then it’s a lottery.

Good luck!

Keeping in mind that we’re all just trying to offer honest feedback/advice here; Regarding the rock track: it’s not that it sounds “bad”, but it definitely doesn’t even come close to a lot of the rock stuff here, not even in the same ball park.

I’m a hard rock/guitar rock guy mainly and I’d just say that the production/programming is very rough, the guitar playing is quite sloppy, which can work, but there is a difference between sloppy cool and just sloppy. Unfortunately i think you’re falling towards the later.

It’s hard to pinpoint one thing specifically but some places to start would be to look at your drum programming (that’s the hardest part imo), it’s very static, very robotic. Then once you get a good grove try and lock your guitars in better with that.

Mixing/mastering is a whole different ball game but you really need to reference some popular tracks here to get an idea of where yours stacks up. If you just go to the rock section and listen to the first 4 or 5 most recently accepted tracks you’ll see that there’s a major difference in clarity and volume when compared to yours immediately, anyone would notice it. I’m not advocating for crushing the sh*t out of your mix to get it as loud as humanly possible (although we all do it haha), but you need to at least get it at a competitive level to everything else around here if you wanna have a hope of getting accepted.

Not to discourage you, but you’ve just got a long ways to go is all. If your ambitions here are more monetary than hobby/enjoyment/improvement, you might want to rethink it a bit.

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Thanks for your honest feedback. I love creating music but mixing / mastering is a new bag for me so I guess I gotta lot to learn. Cheers.

I was afraid of the phrase “preview” :sweat_smile:

Links from other stock music markets? I guess it’s not allowed…

Sorry for jumping in on a completely different note, but where do I find this statistic for my own profile?

Hi @lozovoz

I saw this on my phone, but answer now… I also decided to go into making music full time but did that after I sold a track here during the autumn and I was asked to do some work for hire. Enough for me to let go :slight_smile:

I actually thought the potential at AJ would be bigger and that it would not be that hard to get songs approved. The upside is that when you get a song approved you get twice as happy as when you get a song rejected.

I got a song approved every 2-3 month last year until yearend and finally (started mid-2017), I said to myself; produce and keep pushing and learn constantly. 2 weeks ago I got 3/5 songs approved in one go and I also made 3 sales directly.

I am not a success around here, but what I want to say is that it takes time and as long as you put in a lot of resources into the game you will eventually see results. I am playing around with this full time now until the end of 2018, but I definitely just expect AJ to be some additional pocket money and great learning during this year.

So, chin up and keep going!

On your home view AJ statistics box show you some random stats on each refresh of which one is this. Other way is to manually go through the most popular portfolios listing and find your placing. The placing itself is not exactly accurate, you have to take in to account that when you reach a certain place, you surpass many portfolios that have been around for year longer, which makes your speed better than theirs, but on the other hand “behind you” there are portfolios that are rising faster than you, so it is constantly in a state of flux. For example there can be a portfolio that has 500-1000 sales more than you so it’s placing is better but if the portfolio has been around for twice as long, in relative sense you can be “in a better position” from this perspective.