Changes to the refund, dispute and ratings system on ThemeForest and CodeCanyon

Finally we see one of the big players here, @ThemeGoods! And now we can check out how Envato cares about authors and their concerns :smiley:

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It’s easy for Envato to correct the blackmails issue from users:

  • when a user ask for a refund, his rating will no longer count. A message can popup to warn the user about that. SIMPLY as that.
    Also, authors should be able to see the refund history of the users to know what kind of user he is.
    I understand that Envato tryed to give a better service for buyers, but when you create a feature you need to protect all parties from it, but the way it is right now, it only protects bad users. Please think of a system that is more fair to everyone, otherwise authors will start looking for another alternatives markets, like ThemeGoods mentioned. It’s a matter of time that the majority of authors will have this problem, so please, correct that fast.
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Truth is, people don’t like to click links to view support or refund policies. I’ve had many customers write me ridiculous emails about how absurd my policy is when it’s all written in black and white on Envato’s website. Could we have the ability to write more text on the page the user sees when requesting a refund? In the very least I want to make certain points clearer, stuff that is on the Envato policy page so there are no surprises. But I also want to write some of my own that I don’t think are there. For example, there should be a time limit. I don’t approve requests more than 3 months from purchase date. That’s already more than generous to test a plugin and determine whether or not you like it.

Personally, due to the nature of the content, there shouldn’t be any refund possible period. Licenses are not tied to one website so it’s impossible to know whether or not they requested a refund and continued using the plugin. Setup a system like that for CodeCanyon authors and I’ll never utter another complaint :smile:

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Recently had a customer that wanted a refund for an item that’s under the HTML Category becuase the item is broken for not being a CMS Theme. So that’s utter and total nativity. I would have gladly refunded the guy (even though he purchased it ALMOST A YEAR AGO), but he rated 1 star directly and called me the liar then requested a refund and called me arrogant and dismissive for calling his claims out as being false and accused me of “wasting his time” because my demo text is not lorem ipsum and I actually have dummy text written that he believes I must do what the text says… I’m so gonna start writing “buyers must also give me a Ferrari and a penthouse” for dummy texts! :smile:

That item is a good seller, and I know that giving him a refund would have meant the rating went away, but just on principle, just because he lied, didn’t send one message, just one message being polite and asking for a refund because he can’t use the item, and didn’t even read the item title, I rejected the refund.

It’s time to educate the buyer guys. I will NOT provide refunds to anyone if they don’t read the item title. It’s not my job to teach them that a TEMPLATE is a not a THEME. I’ll gladly take the punches.

Disrespectful buyers that just want to take advantage should be treated with rejected refunds. I did and will continue to give refunds to everyone who is respectful and is obviously NOT trying to extort a free item.

I suggest all authors stick together and stay strong. Solid reasons should be refunded, without a doubt, but don’t compromise yourselves, your moral values for a rating. Learn to say no! :slight_smile:

My 2 cents.

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Hey folks,

We’ve just added a new tool that will let authors see an overview of their refund requests.

Check out the full announcement here: Introducing the Refunds Tab for managing refunds

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Well, it just happens to me a few days ago. A buyer never tries to contact me for an assistant but request a refund instead. Even I try to clarify how it works but it seems buyer not bother read anything I replied and continue to ask for a refund or else they well give a bad rate.

I’ve tried contact Envato support and Yes it unless they can’t help unless the rate is already made, surely they can’t remove as well because the rating comment will relate to user experience about my item which is not true.

So basically, approve any refund request that threatens with a bad rate. Even though we able to reply to rate comment. I would prefer not to have one in the first place. :frowning:

The more time passes, the more this system shows its flaws.
Authors are TOTALLY alone and blackmails + bad ratings are smashing our items.

Just got one cute customer doing this. Let’s see what Envato help will tell me…

 
 

And… oh yeah… you take the 30% :thumbsup:

Nope! Instant reject. Go ahead and rate it 1 star. Contact Envato. Report he blackmailed you, and voila, he get’s his account disabled and doesn’t get access to any of his files. Don’t stand for extortion.

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Aaand… nope! :smiley:
Envato answered me with a “standard” text saying they think his review complies with guidelines.

And I want to be totally honest: a part of that review might be considered true.
But since has been left after my denial…!

I’m just lucky since my items have a lot of 5-star, but this is a very dangerous behavior. We are too much exposed to blackmails that could potentially smash our sales. Just sad.

I want to, but Envato support and buyer claim that he is a long time buyer never refund before. Unfortunately, the first time he do he won’t just asking nicely or contact support for help or try to understand how it work but threaten with a bad rate instead.

They said, “I assure you that we are taking a close look at these buyer’s transactions and will sanction them once we see that they do these things repeatedly.”

4 (four) (F O U R) “mistaken purchase” requests in 2 days.
Do I have to say anything else?

Are you aware of the amount of time spent to manage this and the risk of getting a 1-star?
Why not add a sort of “filter” blocking requests containing those keywords?

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I have received a refund request for “mistaken purchase”, despite the item having being downloaded. Like others, I am hesitant to offer a refund for this reason, but I am concerned about receiving a 1 star rating if I don’t comply with the buyer’s request. What assurance do I have that I won’t be extorted should I decide not to accept this refund? Am I required to put a notice stating we will not refund mistaken purchases?

Do not refund! Ask customer to fill in refund request and don’t answer. Leave it to Envato. You are not obligated in any case to give refund. Especially for mistaken purchase.

I thought authors should get this until now and know how to act future.

https://themeforest.net/page/customer_refund_policy - refund policy. Educate yourself about your rights!

Absolutely do not refund. You would legitimate other 4ssh0l3s to do the same

Totally agree with you. This should be changed as before.

My themes have been used by many people and even I did not received a support due high check.

I developed videos for my themes which is it self a support but after this refund policy is introduced.

I received messages from the buyer’s “oh i made a mistake, my customer wanted another product, can you refund me?” Or

They buyers even does not respond, if we ask what sort of problem they are facing. There is just a general reply.

“The item is broken, malfunctioning or not as described”

on top of that if I decline the refund after some days it is refunded.

Also if they send a message on Sunday’s or Saturday, Usually we respond within 12 hours due to time difference and then they say support in not responding.

In some of my themes there is no page builder used so it is not in the description and buyer want’s a refund because there is no page builder of their choice. What is this.

The system must be updated to avoid this kind of problem. Otherwise it is very difficult to deal with this policy.

If a refund is accepted and we see that the theme is still used by the buyer on their website.

I read comments like this a lot. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying refunds are deserved in such cases, but if they didn’t realise it was a mistake at the time of purchase… then how else would they then realise it was a mistake without downloading it?

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Hello,

Could you pay back me ? I actually bought Bridge support for 6 months yesterday, but by contacting them : https://themeforest.net/item/bridge-creative-multipurpose-wordpress-theme/7315054/comments?page=555&filter=all#comment_14209984 I realised that actually bought the wrong theme support.

It would be nice of you, Thank you,

Regards
Angelina (angelinatexier.com)

Asking help from @matthewcoxy or @andrewfreeman

I got a refund request for my “MediPoint | Responsive HTML5 Medical Template”

He go to install HTML file into WordPress from his message
"This theme will not install into wordpress it says “The theme is missing the style.css stylesheet.”"

I replied and told this is HTML template not WordPress theme if you need any HTML related help let me know after then he mail me again he can not install in WordPress and ask refund.

Then I again explain it is HTML template not WordPress theme also Themeforst don’t accept refund for mistake purchase item and send the refund policy link.

He tell in right “Theme Forest Files Included” I told it has CSS but when he go to install in WordPress it give message “The theme is missing the style.css stylesheet.”" so my template is broken and not as described

Now he ask refund and put a 1 star rating and bad review !!

So what can I do now a surely mistake purchase item he ask refund and 1 star review with bad review.

Please advice me what I will do now.

Waiting for replies.

Thanks

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Clearly, your buyer doesn’t understand the difference between a WordPress theme, and a HTML template, which speaks a lot about his qualification to be a “web designer”.

And while you are also clearly in the right here and are not required to issue the refund due to this being a “mistaken purchase” and NOT an issue/bug with the item itself (even though your buyer is claiming so), the easiest way to get rid of the unjustified 1-star rating would be to in fact approve his refund request, as Envato is supposed to then also automatically remove any ratings given by this buyer.

Alternatively, you can submit a support request to Envato and ask them to remove the unjustified rating (with an explanation of the case), but past experience with Envato (not just mine, but many other authors as well) tells me that they will simply reply back that it is “a valid user experience”, refusing to remove the rating. Despite all the claims and official rules on Envato, Envato itself is very bad in actually removing those type of ratings.

So the choice of two evils is yours: Keep the money, but also the bad rating, or lose the money and get rid of the rating. :frowning: