1 star rating by the buyer asking to support after support expired

Guess what mate? They didn’t remove it, so I gladly stated my terms. I’ll help if he changes his rating first. IF the item has no bugs and you just downloaded it and you rated it 1 star because you didn’t like something completely outside the purpose of the item and you rated it 1 star, I’m not helping it. It’s like giving you a glass of water when you’re thirst and you smack me over the head. I’m against hypocrisy, I hate it, and I will not help absolutely anyone who rates without a reason, then asks for help. It’s positively absurd.

But as an edit to this case the buyer understood he was rushed and he actually admitted he rated it for some frustration he had with a previous Elite author, he changed his rating 5 stars, and I gave him all the help he needed, and after it was all done he thanked me and said the 5 star rating was totally worth it! The situation was defused in a professional way, but if his rating would have stayed 1 star, I would not have helped him.

I’m all pro for helping everyone, but I’m all against hypocrisy. Cheers guys! :slight_smile:

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Totally understand!

Coincidentally my theme got two 1 star ratings, in the last 2 days (Imagine the blood boil). It happens these 2 ratings are unfunded and simply false.

For example:

One wanted us to help him rename his theme and we did gave him helping links how to do it, we even told him what to edit. It sees it wasn’t enough an he just thrown a 1 star saying we’re just sending links and this is awful support. Imagine the fury.
I sent email to Envato support, after 3 days i get “I have looked over the review provided by your buyer and believe the feedback is relevant to the buyer’s experience and is within our community guidelines.”. This guy is blind or goes autopilot and gives these canned responses.

The other rating is also unfair. The guy couldn’t import the sample data and we of course knew it was due to his cheap hosting. We got a 1 star and when i got involved to investigate, after an hour of debugging and investigating it seems his problems were due he had PHP 5.2 which is not even WordPress minimum. I did helped and nothing, he probably won’t pull his rating off.
I’m waiting Envato’s support response on this but i suspect i’m going to receive the same answer.

Do i really have to go back and forth? Is it really that hard to take a few minutes for a support officer to properly investigate.

I’m busting my ass trying to provide the best theme as possible, with a 3-guys support staff (for one theme) with always fixing any found bug immediately and this goes on. I truly want my theme buyers to be 100% satisfied, so i wouldn’t dare to ask a rating removal if i wasn’t right on this.

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Wow, i’m having a look at the scenarios from the “Rating or Review Removal Policy” and i see some unbelivable things here:

  1. Buyer has bought wrong item ie HTML vs WP, thinks item is broken and rates poorly. Author wants rating removed due to buyer error. Not removed.
    This is so stupid. The user is kind of rating his own fault for not paying attention to what he bought. I get he might think there’s a problem with the item, but it clearly isn’t so he just needs a clarification, but the rating itself is stupid.

  2. Buyer has bought a plug in but their issue is with the theme. Buyer rates item poorly. Author request rating removed as issue isn’t with their item. Not removed.
    Yes, but it’s not author’s fault! Why should i take the punch if it’s not my fault. I did things right.

  3. Buyer has bought a theme but their issue is caused by a plug in conflict. Buyer rates item poorly. Author requests rating removed as issue isn’t with their item. Not removed.
    Again, not my fault, why should i take the punch if it’s not my fault. I did things right.

  4. Demo content not included. Buyer rates poorly. Author request rating removed (confirming exact scenario). Not removed.
    This is more of a buyer expectation thing, but it’s not “illegal”. In this scenario, everything that’s NOT included in the theme could get a potential 1 star. At least make this a minimum requirement. I do agree it’s common sense to include it but it’s not mandatory.

  5. Buyer not happy that author doesn’t provide customizations. Rates poorly. Author requests rating removed as they are not required to provide this. Removed.
    This is my scenario and even though it’s stated as “will be removed” i was refused by Envato’s support to be removed.

Wow, just wow, this is ridiculous. Who made these decisions and scenarios? They don’t have a sense of reality.

I feel like we’re “spit” in the face with this, honestly. After i bust my ass like crazy to make the best item ever; after i’m over-staff on support to have better response rates; after i add features to please buyers; after i oftenly update my item; after i fix bugs immediately after they’re found; and many many efforts - we get this. WOW, just wow!!

Let me explain a bit the effect of a 1 star rating, here’s a calculator i made (i’m in the quest of improving my overall rating, reconnecting to old buyers) - http://zauan.github.io/Envato-Rating-Calculator/ , as you can see you need 798 x “5 star” ratings to compensate for a “1 star” rating. And for those reasons?? Wow…

Sorry for mentioning you guys, but i’d really need your input @KingDog @andrewfreeman @natman @collis . Thanks!

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Especially this one is really so ridiculous. There is no logical explanation for this…

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  1. Buyer purchases a Drupal theme
  2. Next day he realizes he bought Drupal instead of WP
  3. Writes to author that he did a mistake and purchased a wrong item
  4. Asks for refund
  5. Since item has been downloaded, author has a right to refuse
  6. Buyer gives 1 star rating saying this is author’s fault
  7. Author asks envato to remove rating, because this is totally buyer’s fault
  8. Envato refuses.

I am sorry, but WHAAAATTTTT??? You can’t buy BMW and next day come to auto dealer and say: “I am very sorry, i didn’t realize this is BMW and not a Mercedes, i want my money back”, can you?

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Agreed, quite stupid. But this tiny thing is related to a much, much bigger picture. This is probably the cost for a system that has flaws and it’s unscaled yet, but hopefully we’ll see improvements.

I read the Removal policies before I contact envato support. Simply have no words, just dominating authors. As I expected I just got an autopilot response.

And especially this 2 points is so ridiculous. I had a 1 star few weeks ago for the second point.

Even when an author refuses who had no control over refunding. Envato’s decision is final on this. I can’t digest 1 star rating over this stupid thing by the buyer.

yes, I got 1 star rating because the buyers has very spectacular request that need a lot og customization on the theme (they don’t consider it’s a theme, they expect to get a total any-business solution for their end-clients for $49, WHATTTT); They even give comments a lot on my item comment page, just because I don’t provide customization for them (I’m NOT marked as Available for freelance).
Nowadays authors here always try to create a solution not a theme. I’m on the same way but do I have to follow all requests like this? I just provide what’s advertised.

It’s ridiculous, even if you provide the facts to the Envato’s support officers they’re going to canned reply your ass with generic explanations unrelated to the current case, not bothering to actually check the facts, mostly suggesting to take it like a man.

They probably have strict orders not to remove anything and keep their “no’s” solid, even if we’re right.

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Why don’t we create something like Author Codex with our rules and OUR requirements? Give it to Envato and ask to accept it, because I feel like a slave of very stupid rules and can’t do anything. This is actually very funny - we are a source of Envato income, but nobody counts our opinion about basic things like support, where we are spending our own time; rating, where we can’t do anything with buyers fault; not accepting refunds and reversals if item was downloaded; double taxation in original country and US; the more Envato grows - the more it doesn’t care. Sad

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I find it very, very disrespectful but as long as we’re ignored, i can’t find any motivation to try anything. Let’s just move on and know we’re mocked with this policy. Simple as that.

If support is moderated by the comments on the item’s page, then there’s two things that’ll happen when a user with expired support posts a comment about a potential support question.

  1. You respond.

  2. If you don’t, you look like a jerk - they’ll call you out for it, you’ll flag the message, it won’t be deleted because there’s really nothing wrong for the flag to be considered valid, then you loose future sales.

SO… if you respond once, every single future customer who’s support has expired will expect that you will answer their question as well. The system is flawed on so many levels.

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Here’s where you’re a bit wrong:

You respond. If you don’t, you look like a jerk - they’ll call you out for it, you’ll flag the message …

Due to this new support policy, he’s in no way obligated in doing so. Sure, it’s common sense, it’s brand reputation and so on, however he can do what he wants.

On the other hand, getting a rating for this reason is one of the main reason we authors were scared of the change. Responding to a buyer which has an expired support package is the same as helping with customisations.

The problem is not removing these ratings. Not to mention the current rules that i’ve mentioned here.

I personally respond, however it’s temporarily and will probably implement a nice canned reply that
“Due to support package expiration […]”. I do have a sympathy for most users, however it’s also a bit disrespectful for paying customers as you might get confused in priorities.

I read these lines from the support policy.

During the item support period, you can report and discuss bugs and minor item defects with the author, and authors are expected to be available to assist you with reported bugs. If appropriate, authors may issue bug fixes directly to you as part of item support. (If an author decides to address a bug fix through a general version update, that update will be available to all buyers.)

As mentioned here, during the support period only buyers can get assistance with bugs and minor defects in the item. According to this policy, envato should remove the buyers rating whether it’s bug in the item or due to other theme or plugins. No matter what, envato staffs doesn’t look in to the case at least to a certain level.
Things have to change!

Perhaps the country the buyer lives in has different consumer laws than 6 months support. In Australia (the home of Envato) Consumer law provides for a 12 months guarantee on all goods except those bought at a genuine auction (not Ebay) or used goods.

I myself (self supporting developer not Envato) have had satisfaction written about my work in the month following purchase and install yet when the buyer tried to modify my work and their site crashed, I got the biggest blast of all time when I refused to reinstate their considerable mess for free.

Envato may now be trading in the USA but they are still an Australian entity and (should be) still subject to Australian Consumer Laws. Tampering with the present system could cause a legal nightmare. On the other hand, if Authors are required to provide 12 months free support it may well cause the price of everything on Envato to increase when no increase is best for consumers.

My own opinion is that if an Author bug tests their product and provides comprehensive documentation, not assuming their buyer knows anything but how to rattle a keyboard, the instances of support will be minimal. Do it once and do it right has always been my aim. Unfortunately with Authors now coming from all over the globe, many don’t have a grasp on comprehensive English documentation. Plenty of examples of this in PHP software from countries in the former soviet union.

I’ve just got my unfair 1 star rating from customer with “support expired” badge. You guys (Envato) have to do something with this situation. Otherwise, why all this new “support period” feature needed for? It just doesn’t work!

PS: I’ve sent request to Envato Support. Let’s see what they officially will say. :wink:

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Hi Hogash,
I’d like to let you know that the reason you use Envato to sell your products is because you either don’t want to sell them yourself or you don’t know how to. Envato exists not because of Authors but because of buyers. No buyers, no Envato.

I’ve closely followed this thread since first being informed it existed. It seems to me (as a buyer) that many authors with relative low ratings (less than 5 star) seem to feel they have some right to give scant or misleading information to buyers seeking support.

Recently I purchased a product that had little or totally misleading documentation. After asking the Author 4 times for help for one item and each time getting incomplete information, I gave up when he/she told me to change the name of a folder in an .xml file that had 137 instances of the false folders name.

I didn’t mess around with star ratings, I went straight back to Envato and got a refund. I won’t mention either the Author or his/her product but what this means is that if you don’t provide genuine support and complete documentation for your product, you might as well not have written it. I don’t know or care what level of support you offer but there must be a reason why some Authors sell thousands of their products and others with a near identical product (visually speaking) only sell a hundred or so and the reason is not time on Envato.

Its not the star rating that make wise buyers decide on a product, its the number of support issues and time taken to answer them correctly that really shows the difference between an Author that (like me) values repeat business and one that sees support as a pain in the butt. As far back as when I changed from being a BBS service to an Internet provider, I have seen people try to avoid supporting products they created long after ‘legal’ support time had expired. Ask yourself this: How much time to you allow for support for every hour you spent creating your product?

Hmmm, I suspect you don’t know. Support is part of the cost of being in business. Any Author who thinks all they need to make money is a $1000 notebook and acceptance by an on-line marketplace like Envato is fooling themselves. Truth be told, selling on Envato relies on how much of what you get from them that you actually keep. One of the reasons you sell on Envato is the volume of sales you might get. That will depend on how you treat your buyers (downloaders) after the legal support period is over. zero support — zero return buyers.

Someone remarked on another forum that Authors can’t be expected to provide help to change a font in a WP theme. This carried the presumption that you buy a theme created by someone with their own idea of functionality and any buyer was expected to use it the way it was in the demo. I guess from a buyer’s point of view, this is ‘easy’ to build website but how many identical websites can (for example) restaurant guides have before the 'net falls into the ho-hum, just another one state?

Writers note:
I have avoided mentioning any specific Authors, other forum names or products being marketed by Envato that I don’t believe would be constructive to this thread.

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I’m just gonna touch base with the first thing you said, Envato exists because of buyers, that’s true, but because of authors as well, it’s a 50/50 ballance, you can’t say Envato exists only because of buyers, because if there won’t be authors, buyers would buy themselves?! :laughing::expressionless: Both sides deserve respect, and no side deserves power over the other. There has to be ballance! :slight_smile:

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Very easy fix <% if @support %> … <% else %> … <% end %>

I agree with you on that ‘Enabled’ with the one exception.
In this thread several (many?) Authors are trying to circumvent consumer law in most of the world by attempting to dictate or remove their liability to stand by the products they produce. You simply cannot ignore the fact that right or wrong in an Authors mind, customers will not buy unsupported or poorly supported products. In some countries 12 month support is law.

One of my company’s businesses builds websites for clients who also buy hosting from us. The businesses who buy sites and hosting from us that are SEO’d on delivery and have a genuine untimed support policy are the ones that thrive. Support = returning customers.